Chaplains banned from preaching that homosexuality is a sin.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: kellyjay

It's not a strawman. The Christian persecution complex is no secret. Even YOU yourself pulled it out! Poor Christians can't go proselytize to captive LGBTQI youths, to reinforce to them just how disgusting they are. Boo Hoo!

im atheist!....and it was a strawman, asuming all christians give a sh*t about the lbgt community, this is what im talking about, they are villanized by the left...even though a massive 83% of americans are christians which means that there are liberal christians too..its always the christians on the right that are painted the bad ones...what logic! lol

a reply to: kellyjay

im atheist!....and it was a strawman, asuming all christians give a sh*t about the lbgt community, this is what im talking about, they are villanized by the left...even though a massive 83% of americans are christians which means that there are liberal christians too..its always the christians on the right that are painted the bad ones...what logic! lol

There's a reason the right leaning Christians are "villianized" more so than the more liberal ones. It is the right which has the overwhelming share of Evangelical/Dominionist type Christians who are the most bigoted and intolerant. And they're proud of it.

a reply to: kellyjay

im atheist!...

Doesn't matter. You still bought into the "poor persecuted Christian" mentality when there are consequences when they themselves break the law.

a massive 83% of americans are christians

And yet, a massive amount of those Christians are NOT trying to break the law in order to alienate and condemn the LGBTQI community.

It's a just a few bad apples, spoiling the apple sauce for everyone else.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: kellyjay

im atheist!....and it was a strawman, asuming all christians give a sh*t about the lbgt community, this is what im talking about, they are villanized by the left...even though a massive 83% of americans are christians which means that there are liberal christians too..its always the christians on the right that are painted the bad ones...what logic! lol

There's a reason the right leaning Christians are "villianized" more so than the more liberal ones. It is the right which has the overwhelming share of Evangelical/Dominionist type Christians who are the most bigoted and intolerant. And they're proud of it.

you mean like the westboro nuts...all ten of them?

lol

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: kellyjay

im atheist!....and it was a strawman, asuming all christians give a sh*t about the lbgt community, this is what im talking about, they are villanized by the left...even though a massive 83% of americans are christians which means that there are liberal christians too..its always the christians on the right that are painted the bad ones...what logic! lol

There's a reason the right leaning Christians are "villianized" more so than the more liberal ones. It is the right which has the overwhelming share of Evangelical/Dominionist type Christians who are the most bigoted and intolerant. And they're proud of it.

you mean like the westboro nuts...all ten of them?

lol

Among others, yes. I live in a town full of them. Though normally not quite as bad as Westboro, it still isn't a particularly good idea to admit being anything other than Christian around here. There are those few who would bury you deep in the woods, and pray over the grave they put you in. Praise the lord!

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: kellyjay

im atheist!....and it was a strawman, asuming all christians give a sh*t about the lbgt community, this is what im talking about, they are villanized by the left...even though a massive 83% of americans are christians which means that there are liberal christians too..its always the christians on the right that are painted the bad ones...what logic! lol

There's a reason the right leaning Christians are "villianized" more so than the more liberal ones. It is the right which has the overwhelming share of Evangelical/Dominionist type Christians who are the most bigoted and intolerant. And they're proud of it.

you mean like the westboro nuts...all ten of them?

lol

Among others, yes. I live in a town full of them. Though normally not quite as bad as Westboro, it still isn't a particularly good idea to admit being anything other than Christian around here. There are those who would bury you deep in the woods, and pray over the grave they put you in. Praise the lord!

theres nuts in all walks of life to be fair...

originally posted by: kellyjay

christians right CLEARLY dont trump anyones...their rights being trampled on in america is proof of that

Which rights exactly are being trampled though? Do you have any specific instances you could cite? I keep hearing this as if it's a right wing mantra in this country but I see little in the way of actual rights being abridged.

a reply to: peter vlar

Oh, you know... those poor Christians who aren't allowed to refuse to sell the same products and services to gays that they sell to everyone else.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Oh, you know... those poor Christians who aren't allowed to refuse to sell the same products and services to gays that they sell to everyone else.

And that's a "right" they never had. So, no rights trampled there, I'm afraid.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Oh you mean the same Christians who have to abide by the same antidiscrimination laws that the rest of the countey? Yeah, bummer for them!

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
You do make a good point however with one large disinfo - not all, actually few REAL Christians chastise those who live in sin.

And much like you chastise Boymonkey regarding who determines which laws are outdated ( seems a little hypocritical there don't you think?), who decides what a REAL Christian is? Would it be your own judgment or interpretation of what makes one a REAL Christian?

Sinners need Christ and need to learn how to walk the straight and narrow path that leads us to God.

Apparently you're not a REAL Christian then as you're chastising the incarcerated "sinners", who by the way are children. Why do they NEED Christ? Why is the path to YOUR version of God the "straight and narrow path"? Are you that arrogant in your convictions that you refuse to recognize that YOUR path is not the only path one needs to, should or can walk that will end up with them being a good person? You do realize that one can appreciate the message of Christ and find merit in the message, live their life as a good and virtuous person... yet not have to accept the divinity of your personal Lord and Savior right? If it works for you, great but Jesus being a demi god like Heracles is not a prerequisite for being a good person. Not required to treat others with respect, kindness or courtesy. Morals don't stem from Jesus, they stem from good influences and neither God nor Jesus are required to be that influence.

There is ONE WAY to the father and it is through the SON not the SUN BUT HIS SON.

Is that the same son that shines out the posterior of so many of the self righteous??!!

originally posted by: peter vlar

Apparently you're not a REAL Christian then as you're chastising the incarcerated "sinners", who by the way are children. Why do they NEED Christ?

Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 19:14) I've been in juvi and the joint and can tell you first hand that the kids who go to the church services are doing it of their own free will, no one is forcing them. They go there because they want to learn about Christ. If they don't like what the preacher has to say they can simply walk out on their own free will.

How you gonna allow someone to come and teach the scriptures, but put limits on what they can and can not preach? That is just down right ridiculous.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Jesus did it without condemnation. Use your imagination.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Jesus did it without condemnation. Use your imagination.

What's there to imagine? His words are self explanatory. Don't prevent the children from learning about Him. Nothing symbolic or mysterious about it.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: NthOther

Instead of religion how about we educate these kids with Science, Philosophy, Literature and Rational Thought. I'm pretty sure by the time they get out many (not all) will be productive members of society.

So if they come out a Christian, Muslim or Buddhist then they will be deemed unproductive and not fit for society, is that what you are saying?

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Nobody was preventing the chaplain from preaching about Jesus. He was prevented from preaching that LGBTQI are abominations.

Jesus didn't come to condemn, why should the chaplain think he should? Can't you imagine a way of teaching about Jesus without condemning those who you're trying to get his compassionate message to?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Nobody was preventing the chaplain from preaching about Jesus. He was prevented from preaching that LGBTQI are abominations.

Jesus didn't come to condemn, why should the chaplain think he should? Can't you imagine a way of teaching about Jesus without condemning those who you're trying to get his compassionate message to?

First off, there is no evidence that is what the preacher was teaching. Second of all, if one of these kids were to ask him his thoughts about the matter, what is he suppose to do, lie? That's retarded, but I guess you don't see this as a violation of his right to preach the scriptures in truth.

You can preach, but only what we allow you to preach. How you gonna tell someone they can't preach about a topic that the Bible is clearly against?

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

First off, there is no evidence that is what the preacher was teaching.

Yes there is.

I. POLICY
In accordance with state and federal laws, each juvenile under the
jurisdiction of the Department for Juvenile Justice (DJJ), shall have the
right to live in an environment free of harassment and discrimination. DJJ
shall be committed to providing a healthy and accepting setting for
juveniles placed in the care of DJJ. DJJ staff shall respect the dignity of
lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, and intersex (LGBTQI)
juveniles and create an environment that is safe and free of discrimination.
djj.ky.gov...

This was the notification that the volunteer chaplain got for refusing to comply with the law.

"However, due to your decision, based on your religious convictions, that you cannot comply with the requirements outlined in DJJ Policy 912, Section IV, Paragraph H, regarding the treatment of LGBTQI youth, I must terminate your involvement as a religious volunteer."

You can preach, but only what we allow you to preach.

You can carry a gun too, but not into a prison!

Can't you see how that might cause a problem in the youth prison system, if there's a gang of Christians harassing the LGBTQI incarcerated youths?

Again, Jesus didn't come to condemn, why should you? Why should a volunteer chaplain think that he's above the law?

a reply to: windword

That's not evidence the preacher was preaching it. That is a rule they made and asked the preacher if he would comply and he said no. Your right about the gangs, with or without the preacher teaching this stuff it's them you have to worry about and you can't force inmates what to say and what not to say. So how is not allowing this preacher to preach what is true going to prevent anything when you got a mob of inmates waiting to bash you for it?

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: windword

That's not evidence the preacher was preaching it. That is a rule they made and asked the preacher if he would comply and he said no.

The chaplain refused to follow basic rules. F# what he wants to preach, if he can't follow the rules he is no example to wayward youth, and shouldn't be there at all!

In accordance with state and federal laws, each juvenile under the
jurisdiction of the Department for Juvenile Justice (DJJ), shall have the
right to live in an environment free of harassment and discrimination. DJJ
shall be committed to providing a healthy and accepting setting for
juveniles placed in the care of DJJ. DJJ staff shall respect the dignity of
lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, and intersex (LGBTQI)
juveniles and create an environment that is safe and free of discrimination.

Your right about the gangs, with or without the preacher teaching this stuff it's them you have to worry about and you can't force inmates what to say and what not to say. So how is not allowing this preacher to preach what is true going to prevent anything when you got a mob of inmates waiting to bash you for it?

If the DJJ can't even get their religious volunteers to respect the dignity of the LGBTQI community, how are they supposed to keep order?

Christians aren't above the law!