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Everything is made of atoms. Seems like everything is the same at that level.
gold has value only because we say gold has value. I'm sure a hungry man on a stranded island would choose the banana over a gold ingot
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
Says who?
That "poor design decision" is what brings everything in the universe together. The universe is pretty awesome isn't it? You can't have an action without a reaction, you can't have good without evil. The universe has an inherent duality to it and that duality is what makes any one thing possible, otherwise an effect would not be because there was no cause.
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
gold has value only because we say gold has value. I'm sure a hungry man on a stranded island would choose the banana over a gold ingot
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
so you're arguing the bible allows us to murder?
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
How so? Do you disagree that an effect requires a cause? Because you can't have one without the other. The same goes for good and bad. Life would be pretty boring if there was no risk involved.
originally posted by: highfromphoenix
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
God?
What god allows child molestation, war, homicide, what god kills?
# your god.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
How so? Do you disagree that an effect requires a cause? Because you can't have one without the other. The same goes for good and bad. Life would be pretty boring if there was no risk involved.
sure effect requires cause - but it is not necessary to know what the cause is nor to invent something to account for it - "I don't know." should be a perfectly acceptable answer where it is true.
And since we have no experience of good without evil we actually have no way of knowing what "life would be like" if "god" had deigned to let us exist in such a system - which of course he/she/it could surely do, what with being omnipotent and all.
so let's recap:
1/ god is supposedly omnipotent - can do anything
2/ god can therefore design a system of existence that does not have evil and which is still interesting and includes free will
3/ god chose not to do so, instead allowing evil and nastiness to exist in vast amounts.
My conclusion from this is that such a god is a jerk.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: TombEscaper
so there is more than 1 god, and we can choose which one rules the world??
I'm getting confused now - I was pretty sure the X-ian/Jewish/Islamic thing was that there is NOT more than 1 god and you do NOT get to choose??!!
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: TombEscaper
I don't have a problem with the way god is doing things - only with the post-hoc self serving justifications of people who won't face up to the consequences of their own belief, such as you.
nothing you have posted is consistent with a "loving omnipotent god" - everything I have posted is consistent with no god at all.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: TombEscaper
yeah you guys keep making up all these circular post hoc words to justify what cannot be justified.
You should just stick with opinion and belief - trying to bring credible evidence into the discussion isn't something you do very well!!