Socialism is Not a 4 Letter Word

We were programmed during the cold war with Russia to associate socialism with communism. The "old guard" still throws around the tired, worn out propaganda.

The cold war is over!

Socialism is not communism!

When you use the word socialism the only thing people here can think of is...

"Free money"

"That's my money"

"Lazy millenials"

a reply to: NthOther

Fascism is anti-socialist. It is authoritarian but capitalist (although not Laissez-faire).

The guys that coined the term defined it that way. The way the propaganda machine co-opted it and applied it to any and all authoritarian government is incorrect.

a reply to: TonyS

I have no doubt that socialism is coming.

I'll fight it tooth and nail, prep for the coming shortages, prepare for the loss of capital and lower standard of living.

But I do agree, it's coming.

a reply to: beezzer

Kind of a funny thing about that terrible socialized medicine:

Due to the high price of prescription drugs, many Americans buy their medications from foreign pharmacies by crossing the border into Canada and Mexico, or when they travel to another foreign country. Many prescription medications are less expensive in foreign countries, and some medications that require a prescription in the U.S. are available over-the-counter in other countries.

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And we couldn't forget Queen Sarah used Canada for its Socialized Medicine:

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin -- who has gone to great lengths to hype the supposed dangers of a big government takeover of American health care -- admitted over the weekend that she used to get her treatment in Canada's single-payer system.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," Palin said in her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska. "And I think now, isn't that ironic?"

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a reply to: beezzer

Socialism has been hear since Roosevelt.

Ugh

a reply to: AlaskanDad

And yet you ignore my premise that the only way to solve the problem is finding a way to pay for the high costs instead of finding a way to lower the costs.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

Socialism has been hear since Roosevelt.

Ugh

Ugh

And it's only going to get worse.

Ugh

a reply to: beezzer

It's inevitable.

What are you going to do when machines make everything?

What system do you recommend to distribute these goods with?

Machines are practically making everything already.

a reply to: beezzer

Obamacare is not a socialist program. Obamacare is a forced capitalist program that will only benefit capitalist insurance companies. And the Canadian firm that has an ex-classmate of Michelle's. Although we have been told this was not nepotism.

A single payer system where we the people have the right to rein in the exorbitant cost of medical procedures is a socialist system. Which is why the cost per person for medical procedures is lower in every other industrial nation.

Why do so many people look at socialism for it's past mistakes without ever acknowledging the positive side of infrastructure building. We wouldn't have the roads to get to the doctor in the first place, without socialist programs.

One of the biggest problems with socialism in this country, is there is nothing social about it. Most of our social programs cost what they do because of nepotism, personal favors, and future employment opportunities.

Reign in the problems of elected officials profiting off over paying their buddies who run social programs and the costs will come down.

The problem is not socialism it is corruption. You can not blame socialism for corruption. There are plenty of corrupt capitalist. And a true socialist would not be looking to profit off corruption.

a reply to: beezzer

Bernie says single payer, which simply cuts out a lot of the middlemen.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: mOjOm

Hitler was "elected", wasn't he?

There's your democratic fascism.

I don't even understand what point you're making with that comment.

Fascism is control by a single dictator over everything. Socialism is control by the state. Socialism operates to benefit the people and the state over the individual. Fascism operates to benefit the individual who controls it.

Fascism is similar to having a King. Socialism is similar to having a Bureaucracy.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

It's inevitable.

What are you going to do when machines make everything?

What system do you recommend to distribute these goods with?

Machines are practically making everything already.

Invest in robotics.

originally posted by: daskakik

Fascism is anti-socialist. It is authoritarian but capitalist (although not Laissez-faire).

The guys that coined the term defined it that way. The way the propaganda machine co-opted it and applied it to any and all authoritarian government is incorrect.

Case-in-point. Ridiculous word games.

Don't like a definition? Just change it!

originally posted by: beezzer
And yet you ignore my premise that the only way to solve the problem is finding a way to pay for the high costs instead of finding a way to lower the costs.

Doesn't the arguement about minimum wage not working apply in that case as well?

a reply to: Isurrender73

He doesn't know what hes saying he and his family are fine.

originally posted by: NthOther
Case-in-point. Ridiculous word games.

Don't like a definition? Just change it!

Is that what you just did with the definition of "coined"?

originally posted by: mOjOm

Fascism is closer to Capitalism like Socialism is closer to Communism. However Capitalism is not Fascism and Socialism is not Communism. But they are on opposite sides from each other.

Yet all of the above are closely intertwined and separated only by very thin threads.

originally posted by: daskakik

Is that what you just did with the definition of "coined"?

When did I even use that word?

a reply to: beezzer

yep.....we're on our way. keep your head down.