Bernie Sanders: Power of billionaires over American politics is ‘national disgrace’

a reply to: beezzer

Now that's what I call dry humor!!!

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: AlaskanDad

When was the last time Mr. Sanders worked for slightly above minimum wage?

Now isn't that a really silly question, or do you honestly think congressmen and state Governors get minimum wage?

Interesting that he sees that our country needs to take care of our vets and raise wages for the working folks, while the other candidates are lining up for their bribes.

Quote from Donald Trump:
I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people. Before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me. And that's a broken system.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

Socialism gives the plutocrats a handle on society and the economy by using the government to control all

How does socialism do that? The practice of socialism itself, much like capitalism, is at the whim of the people in power or those that take power if the society as a while does not keep them in check.

You're trying to argue that socialism's design is to allow that to happen and that is not the case. Socialism is a group of people or a society "chipping-in" to serve a common purpose or good. That applies to families, to churches and all the way up to entire systems of government. How that system is used is on their shoulders.

The same faults you have with socialism can be applied to capitalism or any other system.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Sanders is a socialist. Obama is not.

The very basic principle of socialism seems to be escaping you. You're confusing socialism for progressivism and crony capitalism.

When is Matt Damon going to bring out the actuary tables?

a reply to: Semicollegiate

Irrelevant.

Socialism is still part of the philosophy expressed in the constitution whether we want to admit it or not, and is part of our society whether we want to admit it or not.

If you don't like it, quit using the roads and police I help pay for and we will call it good.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Sanders is a socialist. Obama is not.

The very basic principle of socialism seems to be escaping you. You're confusing socialism for progressivism and crony capitalism.

O is both a socialist and crony capitalist. Socialism depends on the capitalist system to sustain it's leechlike properties. Again, study Hegelian dialectic on this. Karl Marx and Engels who co wrote the Communist Manifesto both embraced Hegelianism. Even Michelle is socialist. All one has to do is look at what she says. Here's one of her quotes, it should be obvious

"They don't want the whole pie," she told the women. "There are some who do, but most Americans feel blessed just being able to thrive a little bit. But that is becoming even more out of reach. If we don't wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership, for how we want this country to work, then we won't get universal health care. The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more." - Michelle Obama

obamaism.blogspot.com... A hint: giving up your pie is code for socialist redistribution of wealth. Did you understand that?
Then there are the various socialist party affiliations.... www.thenewamerican.com...

Must be some kind of weird coincidence...

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Socialism gives the plutocrats a handle on society and the economy by using the government to control all

How does socialism do that? The practice of socialism itself, much like capitalism, is at the whim of the people in power or those that take power if the society as a while does not keep them in check.

It is easier to control one big thing than one million smaller things. Man could kill an elephant long before he could kill yellow fever. Socialism makes society and the economy into one big simple thing with a head.

You're trying to argue that socialism's design is to allow that to happen and that is not the case. Socialism is a group of people or a society "chipping-in" to serve a common purpose or good. That applies to families, to churches and all the way up to entire systems of government. How that system is used is on their shoulders.

Cooperation is a group of people chipping in. Socialism is the government forcing behavior, such as taxes, regulations or the draft (one vote away).

The same faults you have with socialism can be applied to capitalism or any other system.

Capitalism does not tell people what to do. Capitalism requires that people do what they must in order to get what they want. Capitalism lets every person do what he must in whatever way that person finds most congenial.

That is not the lure or reward of capitalism in itself. As it turns out, capitalism yields great benefits. The Industrial Revolution and probably the Agricultural Revolution, occurred from people exploring the possibilities open to them. Neither could have happened with socialistic ideals preventing unknown and unauthorized actions.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Irrelevant.

Socialism is still part of the philosophy expressed in the constitution whether we want to admit it or not, and is part of our society whether we want to admit it or not.

If you don't like it, quit using the roads and police I help pay for and we will call it good.

You are assuming that anything remotely community oriented is by nature socialist. I think you are mixing up community with the planks of the socialist party. Yah sure the roads are public, and maintained by the public. there is a point of crossover, but there is a difference between basic public needs and the kind of New Deal welfare and workfare food stamp free this and that and everything else in between which came into being starting from FDR 33rd degree Mason and Democrat.

a reply to: introvert

You invoked the constitution and assumed it to be a populist document.

You socialists claim all human cooperation as socialist. All freedom is based on economics and all economic is based on cooperation. Socialism takes out the voluntary cooperation while all the while claiming forced behavior is freedom.

Socialism is juvenile cherry picking.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Sanders is a socialist. Obama is not.

The very basic principle of socialism seems to be escaping you. You're confusing socialism for progressivism and crony capitalism.

Progressivism is mostly socialist in nature. Even look at the Pro Choice movement and feminist movement. It is probably not very well known that Betty Friedan, the quintessential feminist who wrote, "The Feminine Mystique" had communist leanings and association... consider this profile of her nova.wpunj.edu...
And consider these Progressives including Sanger the mother of Planned Parenthood. www.visionandvalues.org...

So I beg to differ with you on the issue.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Yah sure the roads are public, and maintained by the public. there is a point of crossover, but there is a difference between basic public needs and the kind of New Deal welfare and workfare food stamp free this and that

Basic public needs is all I'm talking about. You're taking it to the extreme.

and everything else in between which came into being starting from FDR 33rd degree Mason and Democrat.

Yup, nutbag extremes.

originally posted by: introvert

Socialism is still part of the philosophy expressed in the constitution whether we want to admit it or not, and is part of our society whether we want to admit it or not.

But the corruption of bureaucracy is not part of the Constitution is it.

Corruption is very much part of society.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

You socialists claim all human cooperation as socialist. All freedom is based on economics and all economic is based on cooperation. Socialism takes out the voluntary cooperation while all the while claiming forced behavior is freedom.

Don't lump me in with other socialists. I have my own beliefs, thank you very much.

You're still missing the point that socialism is already at work and part of our system. Another member may call it "community" or "cross-over" but the premise is still the same.

Having a socialist and capitalists system within the confines of the Constitution is not only possible, but best to keep each from going to extremes.

The very act of living is modern society will force some behaviors whether we like it or not. Socialism does not force behavior anymore than capitalism. There are still things we must do to contribute to the collective good, regardless of system.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: introvert

Socialism is still part of the philosophy expressed in the constitution whether we want to admit it or not, and is part of our society whether we want to admit it or not.

But the corruption of bureaucracy is not part of the Constitution is it.

Corruption is very much part of society.

Corruption is at the feet of Men. No system can succeed if the people involved are corrupt, be it socialism or capitalism.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Yah sure the roads are public, and maintained by the public. there is a point of crossover, but there is a difference between basic public needs and the kind of New Deal welfare and workfare food stamp free this and that

Basic public needs is all I'm talking about. You're taking it to the extreme.

and everything else in between which came into being starting from FDR 33rd degree Mason and Democrat.

Yup, nutbag extremes.

Did you just call FDR a nutbag extremist? wow who would have thought....and didnt the Progressive movement just recently invoke the personalities of FDR and Wilson in comparing Occupier of WH?
I'm taking what to the extreme? Many people who trump up socialism as the greatest benefactor of society apparently do not understand the real agenda behind it. It is extreme, but socialism is still a bridge to the even more extreme communism, of which both Lenin and Marx claimed as such. It is in the Communist Manifesto and Lenin's own statements.

a reply to: introvert

You're still missing the point that socialism is already at work and part of our system. Another member may call it "community" or "cross-over" but the premise is still the same.

There is a difference between full-on socialism and the incrementalism which is the hallmark of Fabianism. Boiling frogs my friend boiling frogs. It's all a matter of shades of grey. What shade of grey are we today?

Bernie is all against big money, unless of course if it's for him.

Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $105,000 $0 $105,000
Teamsters Union $93,700 $700 $93,000
National Education Assn $84,350 $3,350 $81,000
United Auto Workers $79,650 $750 $78,900
United Food & Commercial Workers Union $72,500 $0 $72,500
Communications Workers of America $68,000 $1,500 $66,500
Laborers Union $64,000 $0 $64,000
Carpenters & Joiners Union $62,000 $0 $62,000
National Assn of Letter Carriers $61,000 $0 $61,000
American Assn for Justice $60,500 $500 $60,000
American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $58,198 $1,200 $56,998
Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $53,000 $0 $53,000
United Transportation Union $48,500 $0 $48,500
Sheet Metal Workers Union $47,000 $0 $47,000
Operating Engineers Union $46,100 $0 $46,100
Service Employees International Union $43,764 $5,500 $38,264
UNITE HERE $42,875 $3,250 $39,625
United Steelworkers $41,750 $750 $41,000
American Postal Workers Union $37,700 $0 $37,700
Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $36,000 $0 $36,000

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: introvert

Socialism is still part of the philosophy expressed in the constitution whether we want to admit it or not, and is part of our society whether we want to admit it or not.

But the corruption of bureaucracy is not part of the Constitution is it.

Corruption is very much part of society.

Corruption is at the feet of Men. No system can succeed if the people involved are corrupt, be it socialism or capitalism.

Now you tell us.

a reply to: avgguy

Oh Oh

It's getting warmer.