Giza we have a problem.

Here's the problem and as a follow up on Astral Projection and the Great Pyramid, all the presumed star shafts of the Great Pyramid are missing their supposed astral targets by at least several degrees, the Kings Ba has been projected to the wrong stars...

How this has come about is quite simple, the angles of projection toward the astral bodies has been calculated from ground level and not been readjusted according to the point of projection from within the pyramid itself, these are the relevant angles;

Shafts from Queen's Chamber North South
Angle of Slope, Gantenbrink 39° 7' 28" - 39° 36' 28"

Shafts from King's Chamber North South
Angle of Slope, Gantenbrink 32° 36' - 45° 00'

So these give this...



So we can take for example the Southern projection from the Queens Chamber and suggest it relates to Sirius at maximum elevation due South 4,500 years ago at a little over 39 degrees;



Except it doesn't, it's actually projecting a lot closer to that insignificant small star several degrees above Sirius at 42 degrees. The situation is the same for all the suggested astral correlations to the star shaft angles because the given angles are only correct if taken from ground level and don't take into account their starting position within the pyramid, so this diagram shows were the shafts are actually projecting toward in terms of degrees, all at least several degrees higher than the suggested target labelled.



So if the intention was to target those stars with any sort of accuracy through the star shafts the angles of inclination should all have been lessened to take into account were they were projected from within the pyramid but that doesn't seem to have happened the end result being they are all wrong.

I have tried to figure if there was some fiendishly clever reason for the seeming oversight, for example the Grand Gallery has been suggested as projecting toward the elevation of Gamma Crux at 26 degrees except it doesn't from it's position within the pyramid it projects towards the star of Centaurus some 7 degrees above G-Crux;



Which has something of the happy accident about it in targeting also a star in vertical alignment with G-Crux directly above, but overall i just think they got things wrong and should have been made to dismantle the pyramid and correct the star shaft angles...

Firstly, how do we know which star they were aiming for?

It seems always that we think we know better than they did what they were aiming for.

Perhaps they got it bang on, just that we think they should have been aiming it at the bright star and instead, they were aiming for the star that their gods came from.

Who knows. But we always seem to know stuff when looking at ancient cultures and frankly, we do not have a clue.

It is much the same as the dating of the pyramids. It is all conjecture. No amount of carbon dating will tell when the were built because you cannot carbon date the stone.

Perhaps, they got it right and we just have no idea what they were aiming at.

P

a reply to: pheonix358

You're right we don't have any direct evidence for which stars they might have been aiming for, that the angles used did relate to known important stars such as Sirius and Thuban in terms of their angle of elevation from ground level did seem significant, but they would have needed to adjust the angles according to the altered perspective if aligning to those through the star shafts, it is possible of course that the final section of the shafts beyond the doors does just that, makes the adjustment, otherwise though i think they miss the most likely targets.

All of the pyramids line up with the cosmos before as they where aligned before the Earth's physical poles shifted. Which of course caused a great cataclysmic event that wiped out most the humans on Earth at the time.
I'll try to find links.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
Here's the problem and as a follow up on Astral Projection and the Great Pyramid, all the presumed star shafts of the Great Pyramid are missing their supposed astral targets by at least several degrees, the Kings Ba has been projected to the wrong stars...

How this has come about is quite simple, the angles of projection toward the astral bodies has been calculated from ground level and not been readjusted according to the point of projection from within the pyramid itself, these are the relevant angles;

Shafts from Queen's Chamber North South
Angle of Slope, Gantenbrink 39° 7' 28" - 39° 36' 28"

Shafts from King's Chamber North South
Angle of Slope, Gantenbrink 32° 36' - 45° 00'

So these give this...

So we can take for example the Southern projection from the Queens Chamber and suggest it relates to Sirius at maximum elevation due South 4,500 years ago at a little over 39 degrees;

Except it doesn't, it's actually projecting a lot closer to that insignificant small star several degrees above Sirius at 42 degrees. The situation is the same for all the suggested astral correlations to the star shaft angles because the given angles are only correct if taken from ground level and don't take into account their starting position within the pyramid, so this diagram shows were the shafts are actually projecting toward in terms of degrees, all at least several degrees higher than the suggested target labelled.

So if the intention was to target those stars with any sort of accuracy through the star shafts the angles of inclination should all have been lessened to take into account were they were projected from within the pyramid but that doesn't seem to have happened the end result being they are all wrong.

I have tried to figure if there was some fiendishly clever reason for the seeming oversight, for example the Grand Gallery has been suggested as projecting toward the elevation of Gamma Crux at 26 degrees except it doesn't from it's position within the pyramid it projects towards the star of Centaurus some 7 degrees above G-Crux;

Which has something of the happy accident about it in targeting also a star in vertical alignment with G-Crux directly above, but overall i just think they got things wrong and should have been made to dismantle the pyramid and correct the star shaft angles...

Start rolling that star clock back. Why would they line the star channles up to where would be thousands of years in the future?

Im sure youll find, as ive seen it demonstrated, that they line up just perfectly at a different time.

a reply to: FinalCountdown

The factoring in of the fiendishly clever, alright try this, the discrepancy would have self adjusted through precession after a thousand years had passed, so that by 1500 BC the Queens chamber star shaft was indeed accurately targeting Sirius at around 42 degrees elevation.



a reply to: ISawItFirst

Yes as i've shown above the discrepancy will self adjust to be correct after a thousand years...

Tip, start with the earth bound direction of the pyramids pointing North towards Memphis. Then take it from there.

If the pyramids were much older than they are said to be, would this account for the miss-positioning of the pyramid to the stars. The alignment changes over time of earth to the universe. I actually think some of the pyramids were just redone by these ancient kings.

a reply to: rickymouse

Well it could be used to suggest a different date but the angles they've used are strongly suggestive of the normally considered stars at 2,500 BC measured from ground level, if modern researchers fail to note that those angles would have missed those targets due to not allowing for the changed perspective at the greater height then it's understandable that the Egyptians might have overlooked this.

What they do not add to the math is the drift and rotation of the African continent.

Small but there.

originally posted by: rickymouse
If the pyramids were much older than they are said to be, would this account for the miss-positioning of the pyramid to the stars. The alignment changes over time of earth to the universe. I actually think some of the pyramids were just redone by these ancient kings.

This is correct, Look up John Anthony West's "Serpent in the Sky" and watch the unbelievable "Magical Egypt" series and the "Mystery of the Sphinx" documentary. There's enough evidence to prove that many ancient Egyptian structures are thousands of years older than what is currently theorized and supported by main stream Egyptologist. For example, when the sphinx was created, it was done so facing the constellation Leo. Due to pecession that has senice changed.

The entire thread presupposes that the shafts are supposed to "align" with some star or other.

Where is the evidence that this is the case?

Harte

Maybe it didnt need tk be exact. Maybe, after the soul comes shooting out, it can steer itself to where it wants to go?

a reply to: Harte

The evidence is that they do align with stars, every now and then...

So does my nose.

Harte

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
Here's the problem and as a follow up on Astral Projection and the Great Pyramid, all the presumed star shafts of the Great Pyramid are missing their supposed astral targets by at least several degrees, the Kings Ba has been projected to the wrong stars...

How this has come about is quite simple, the angles of projection toward the astral bodies has been calculated from ground level and not been readjusted according to the point of projection from within the pyramid itself, these are the relevant angles;

Shafts from Queen's Chamber North South
Angle of Slope, Gantenbrink 39° 7' 28" - 39° 36' 28"

Shafts from King's Chamber North South
Angle of Slope, Gantenbrink 32° 36' - 45° 00'

So these give this...

So we can take for example the Southern projection from the Queens Chamber and suggest it relates to Sirius at maximum elevation due South 4,500 years ago at a little over 39 degrees;

Except it doesn't, it's actually projecting a lot closer to that insignificant small star several degrees above Sirius at 42 degrees. The situation is the same for all the suggested astral correlations to the star shaft angles because the given angles are only correct if taken from ground level and don't take into account their starting position within the pyramid, so this diagram shows were the shafts are actually projecting toward in terms of degrees, all at least several degrees higher than the suggested target labelled.

So if the intention was to target those stars with any sort of accuracy through the star shafts the angles of inclination should all have been lessened to take into account were they were projected from within the pyramid but that doesn't seem to have happened the end result being they are all wrong.

I have tried to figure if there was some fiendishly clever reason for the seeming oversight, for example the Grand Gallery has been suggested as projecting toward the elevation of Gamma Crux at 26 degrees except it doesn't from it's position within the pyramid it projects towards the star of Centaurus some 7 degrees above G-Crux;

Which has something of the happy accident about it in targeting also a star in vertical alignment with G-Crux directly above, but overall i just think they got things wrong and should have been made to dismantle the pyramid and correct the star shaft angles...

Youre not taking into account a possible pole shift. Which could effect our axis of rotation and move the sky from an observers point of observation. Around 10500BC, we lost alot of weight off the top of the planet as miles thick ice sheets melted rapidly... Raising sea levels tens of feet per century. This displacement could have easily shifted the planet's axis.. And also reinforces the age of the great pyrimid to be much older then thought. (which I stand by)

originally posted by: Triton1128
originally posted by: Kantzveldt


Youre not taking into account a possible pole shift. Which could effect our axis of rotation and move the sky from an observers point of observation. Around 10500BC, we lost alot of weight off the top of the planet as miles thick ice sheets melted rapidly... Raising sea levels tens of feet per century. This displacement could have easily shifted the planet's axis.. And also reinforces the age of the great pyrimid to be much older then thought. (which I stand by)

I think you're right, but its the other way around.
The pole shifted first, then of course the ice melted as the ice cap was no longer centered on the previous pole.
This same movement covered up Antarctica with ice, very very quickly.
Before the pole shift Antarctica was a temperate continent "centered" in the middle of all of the worlds oceans.

Kinda of like Atlantis. wait a second, hmm…..

originally posted by: Harte
The entire thread presupposes that the shafts are supposed to "align" with some star or other.

Where is the evidence that this is the case?

Harte

The guy running the transit got fired after they were built and didn't work. With all the work to build them and many people who died, the Pharaoh was scared to tell anyone they messed up.

a reply to: rickymouse

Good one.

It explains why the shafts were covered - hide your mistakes.

Harte

all shafts, in the QC or the KC are angled, those of the QC in multiple ways. They were not open to the outside.
Never, ever could they have been used for any star observation.

Neither is it necessary for an immaterial Ba to have such complicated constructed shafts.
Not any other pharao did have this necessary for his tomb.

Jean-Pierre Houdin has different explanation.

emhotep.net...

Unlike those of the King’s Chamber, QCN and QCS do not exit the pyramid—they seem to terminate somewhere within its massive bulk (it is worth noting that even the King’s Chamber shafts may have been covered by the now-missing casing stones that once covered the pyramid’s surface). This would also seem to rule out astrological functions, as the sky would not be visible from the shafts, and would eliminate the ventilation theory for obvious reasons. Besides, until their discovery in 1872 by a British engineer named Waynman Dixon, the shafts were sealed from the inside as well.

There were necessary during the construction.

People underestimate that enormous architectural achievements.