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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Many of their beliefs are completely incompatible with my own.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And this was despite Selassie's numerous requests for help.
Sounds like he was well aware that he was not god.
Yep. Though I'm staying out of that part of the argument lol
I have a lot of respect for Rastafarians, particularly the Marley's One Love movement. I respect them the same way I respect peaceful Buddhists, Hindus, and any other group that wants to do positivity with their lives.
But respect is not the same thing as acceptance. Many of their beliefs are completely incompatible with my own. So I basically say "live & let live" when it comes to the details.
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: JahRastafari
We therefore are supposed to be looking for God on earth, not in the sky or after we physically die.
The emperor is no longer on earth.
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
a reply to: JahRastafari
There are many differing views on the Godhead. The Scriptures mention Seven Spirits of God, so the Father + the Son + seven Spirits = nine, a trinity of trinities - yet they are all One. Just my view.
BTW, I like your avatar, an excellent likeness of His Majesty.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: JahRastafari
At 0:24: "Rastafarians cannot accept this".
Seems like acknowledgement of bias.
Believe whatever you want but don't come with illogical claims and expect people to just accept them as true.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: JahRastafari
ETA: I don't see the part where he says that the emperor is still on earth? He even says that the emperor said that the lord created "us" like everyone else. Who was he refering to as the "creator"?
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: JahRastafari
It sure is but that doesn't resolve the contradictions that you have posted.
originally posted by: JahRastafari
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And this was despite Selassie's numerous requests for help.
Sounds like he was well aware that he was not god.
Yep. Though I'm staying out of that part of the argument lol
I have a lot of respect for Rastafarians, particularly the Marley's One Love movement. I respect them the same way I respect peaceful Buddhists, Hindus, and any other group that wants to do positivity with their lives.
But respect is not the same thing as acceptance. Many of their beliefs are completely incompatible with my own. So I basically say "live & let live" when it comes to the details.
In general, Rastafarians have fulfilled the prophecy of Psalm 95 and Hebrews 3 where it says God was angry with that generation for forty years. This forty year prophecy is referring to the years of His Majesty's theocratic reign from 1930-1974.
"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness, where your ancestors tested and tried me, though for forty years they saw what I did.That is why I was angry with that generation; I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.' So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest' " (Hebrews 3:8-10).
Also Zeccariah 7:5-6 was fulfilled by the Rastafarians, "Ask all the people of the land and the priests, 'When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted? And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves?' "
The seventy year prophecy is referring to the years from 1930-2000 when Jesus Christ Primus St. Croix declared the name of The Father to the world (Jeremiah 29:10, Daniel 9:2).
originally posted by: JahRastafari
His Majesty always spoke of God (Himself) in the third-person. Jesus Christ Primus St. Croix also follows this example because he speaks of Christ in the third-person (John 5:19).
Explain.
His Majesty died in 1975.
This video will prove that Primus St. Croix is Jesus Christ.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: JahRastafari
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And this was despite Selassie's numerous requests for help.
Sounds like he was well aware that he was not god.
Yep. Though I'm staying out of that part of the argument lol
I have a lot of respect for Rastafarians, particularly the Marley's One Love movement. I respect them the same way I respect peaceful Buddhists, Hindus, and any other group that wants to do positivity with their lives.
But respect is not the same thing as acceptance. Many of their beliefs are completely incompatible with my own. So I basically say "live & let live" when it comes to the details.
In general, Rastafarians have fulfilled the prophecy of Psalm 95 and Hebrews 3 where it says God was angry with that generation for forty years. This forty year prophecy is referring to the years of His Majesty's theocratic reign from 1930-1974.
"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness, where your ancestors tested and tried me, though for forty years they saw what I did.That is why I was angry with that generation; I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.' So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest' " (Hebrews 3:8-10).
Also Zeccariah 7:5-6 was fulfilled by the Rastafarians, "Ask all the people of the land and the priests, 'When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted? And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves?' "
The seventy year prophecy is referring to the years from 1930-2000 when Jesus Christ Primus St. Croix declared the name of The Father to the world (Jeremiah 29:10, Daniel 9:2).
Hey, I appreciate your beliefs. And I wouldn't mind having a real conversation just to learn more about the different Rastafarian sects.
But I don't want to mislead you either. I'm a Muslim 100%. Not a Sunni, Shiite, or any other sub-category, but a Muslim like the ancients. There's nothing anyone can say or do to get me to change my own beliefs. So if you'd like to share your beliefs, I'm more than willing to listen (hence why I'm in this thread). But if you're trying to sway me, it won't work. Just pointing that out so there's no misunderstandings between us.
As a starter, I'm curious about some things:
1. How do Rastafarians really view Marcus Garvey? I've heard from outsiders that he's considered a prophet, but I don't know if that's certain sects or all of them.
2. Do they consider themselves Christians, Hebrews, descendents of the original Israelites, or something else?
3. What are your holy books? I know they refer to many incidences in the Old Testament, but I don't know if there's a specific version or translation they use.
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: JahRastafari
His Majesty always spoke of God (Himself) in the third-person. Jesus Christ Primus St. Croix also follows this example because he speaks of Christ in the third-person (John 5:19).
Maybe he did it because he knew he wasn't the creator.
Explain.
He was the creator of all but he couldn't create a stronger army than Mussolini's?
His Majesty died in 1975.
He sure did, which is why you would not find him on earth after that. That is another of the contradictions I was talking about.
originally posted by: JahRastafari
We never stated that you would find Him on earth after he died.
We therefore are supposed to be looking for God on earth
Please take the time to review all the information because most of your questions have already been answered
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: JahRastafari
We never stated that you would find Him on earth after he died.
Your words:
We therefore are supposed to be looking for God on earth
Where on earth was Selassie after 1975?
How is someone born after 1975 going to find "God on earth" when, according to you, he was not here anymore?
Please take the time to review all the information because most of your questions have already been answered
And those answer's contradict other things you have said.
I was hoping you would see this but it seems like you just don't want to see. For the creater of all to be beaten by some italian guy would make anyone question the claim that Selassie was God almighty. Well, anyone except you guys.
originally posted by: JahRastafari
This is a simple misunderstanding.
For Ethiopia to be occupied by the modern army of Rome for 5 years in WWII takes nothing away from His divinity.