Lets reverse the roles.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

What makes you think life has always been? If life has not always been then that part of the source has not always been. What are is life? What is light? Is god my light bulb? Is God my heart?

If you felt love then you felt God.

a reply to: Klassified

I can only tell you my life has taken on a whole new meaning since I have looked to him for daily guidance.

Amen.

One day I prayed to God so that nothing would happen to me while driving. Next day I got into a car accident but nothing happened to me. That's my personal proof of God.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, life and consciousness is energy, so yes life has always existed according to the law of thermodynamics.

Well of course if define those things as energy then you could just say everything is life, but I think the vast majority of people would disagree with that definition. How do you differentiate between life and nonlife. If you push a rock it pushes back. The rock is also vibrating. It has energy, but I don't think anyone could claim that a rock is alive or conscious without sufficient reason for doing so.

originally posted by: danielsil18
a reply to: Cuervo

It being created from nothing is just as likely as it being created from god.

We have trillions of galaxies in this universe. Each galaxy has billions of stars and you think that its possible that it was created by nothing?

How can it be possible that all of that matter was created by nothing?

"Atheist Cuervo" response:

So, because we don't fully understand the universe, the underwear gnomes must have created it? The universe is a marvelous and majestic thing, immeasurable and still not fully understood. This means we don't know. That's it. We don't know. Since we don't know, why would I assume the underwear gnomes did it? All that your "evidence" suggests is that the universe is really cool.

a reply to: danielsil18

Love doesn't exist. Its merely a biological illusion created by the chemistry of the mind.

Atheist beezzer responds;

God doesn't exist but government does. Government does more than god could ever do.

If anything, we should be worshipping government!

originally posted by: danielsil18
a reply to: Klassified

I can only tell you my life has taken on a whole new meaning since I have looked to him for daily guidance.

Amen.

One day I prayed to God so that nothing would happen to me while driving. Next day I got into a car accident but nothing happened to me. That's my personal proof of God.

Praise the Lord, brother. It's not about proof. It's about faith. "It is impossible to please him without faith", and "all things work together for good to those that love him".

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Everything is a projection and expression of life. A rock is not conscious but it is a part of life nonetheless, if it weren't then we would not be able to observe it. See your computer? Even though it is not alive it is a part of you, and since you are life then it is a part of life. Anything the light reveals is a part of life, whatever you see is created in God's image because it becomes a part of the image of light you see.

Life is energy, light is energy, you are both, and since you are energy you cannot be created nor destroyed. Neither can matter be destroyed, it only changes form.

a reply to: Cuervo

The universe is a marvelous and majestic thing

This is proof that God created it. A Godless universe wouldnt be marvelous and majestic.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: danielsil18

Love doesn't exist. Its merely a biological illusion created by the chemistry of the mind.

God created those chemicals that make you feel love.

a reply to: beezzer

Theist 3NL responds:

God exists and so does government. Read Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13, it says to obey all authority including government authority. They are God's servants and the emperor is the supreme authority. Obey all authority.

See, that can go both ways.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Cuervo

Then tell us what you are an I will argue the antithesis of whatever you claim.

But isn't that also the opposite of what you want? If I were to tell you of my beliefs, aren't you supposed to debate on behalf of them and not against?

In any case, I was already snatched up by "danielsil18" so I don't want to get all confused. Also, I was hoping to leave my own beliefs out of it because they are more obscure and would be difficult for others to speak on behalf of. Christianity and atheism are both well-known and can be debated by most people.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: beezzer

Theist 3NL responds:

God exists and so does government. Read Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13, it says to obey all authority including government authority. They are God's servants and the emperor is the supreme authority. Obey all authority.

See, that can go both ways.

Mere words on paper.

Government takes care of you. Try asking your god for foodstamps.

Is he going to get them for you?

No.

Now try asking government for foodstamps.

See!

Government will take care of you!

originally posted by: beezzer
Atheist beezzer responds;

God doesn't exist but government does. Government does more than god could ever do.

If anything, we should be worshipping government!

Satan is trying to get you to worship the government. Before you ask, yes Satan is real. If he is not real then who do you think put those fossils under the earth to make us believe that God doesnt exist.

originally posted by: danielsil18
a reply to: Cuervo

The universe is a marvelous and majestic thing

This is proof that God created it. A Godless universe wouldnt be marvelous and majestic.

Ok, I'm not even responding as "Atheist Cuervo" on this one. Nothing you are saying is "proof". You are just repeating yourself saying "How can all this cool stuff exist without god?" People used to think the plague was from the devil and the tides were controlled divinely. We know the reasons behind those things now and nobody questions it. Eventually, we will also understand the things you claim must be god simply because we don't fully understand them.

The church has been doing it since its inception. If there is evidence in your god, you will not find it by marveling over how awesome science is.

a reply to: beezzer

Try asking your god for foodstamps.

Is he going to get them for you?

No.

Yes he will. You just have to have faith and pray for God.

He will give you anything you want. All you have to do is have faith.

No faith, no foodstamps. Simple.

originally posted by: danielsil18

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

What makes you think life has always been? If life has not always been then that part of the source has not always been. What are is life? What is light? Is god my light bulb? Is God my heart?

If you felt love then you felt God.

Is the love vibration from another level of being automatically proof of one/every definition of a god being?

Even if you have experienced love from Home how can you know what human view of god is real?

If I look at my life as a computer game/simulation then yes there are higher levels of awareness you can reach and thing on the other side of the unknown that can say hi and make you feel very loved. Telepathy and Synchronicity is part of it. But just because it exists in the game/simulation do not mean there cannot be an outside where these things do not exists?

a reply to: danielsil18

I was taught in state-controlled schools. They never lie, because they say they don't lie.

Your talk of bibles and gods is just a way to control me when government offers freedom through their control of me!

a reply to: beezzer

Ask Jesus for food and he'll feed you and 5,000 of your closest friends for no cost! It's welfare to the max! Sick? Jesus will heal you free of charge, socialism at its finest! Blind? No need for insurance for those pesky glasses! Jesus and God will give you perfect 20/20 vision free of charge!

Ooh wait, that was back before any reliable record keeping was around, I guess God really does want us to rely on the government now that he has taken off! I'm gonna go read Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13 again.

a reply to: Cuervo

Ok then, I have my faith in God and you have your faith in science.

Your life must be miserable without God.