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originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: turbonium1
No.
Here is the point, once again..
There are two areas, one is disturbed soil, and one is undisturbed soil...
Because we have Images which show that there are, indeed, two distinct areas.
That's how we find any sort of distinction...
Images that include both of the areas show this distinction.
and here is the point you are missing yet again..
the reflective difference in the soil gradually occurs over a large area.. do you undertand what the word fade means?
You're not getting the point, or more likely you do know it, and you'll never admit to it....
You insist that the area is so vast, it can't be seen from anywhere on the surface....
This is not true, obviously. The area is seen...and well beyond it, too.
What nonsense!
They had no idea the VAB changed from one instant to another, all the time, anywhere...
They've admitted it, you should know...
What do you think they are trying to find out right now, with their VAB probes?
Why would they spend so much money, and time, to study the VAB?
We realize the VAB environment is nothing like they had previously believed.
How does this fit with the Apollo story?
originally posted by: choos
yes seen, but only seen clearly when viewed from very far away........ its obvious that it is you who simply does not understand.
originally posted by: choos
have you quantified the changes?? it doesnt look like you have so how to you know it would change while they are traversing through it?? and how do you know that it will change from safe enough to pass to deadly??
QUANTIFY YOUR CLAIMS
originally posted by: choos
to fully understand it so that it can be predicted so that it can be manipulated or missions can be manipulated..
we are still studying the weather now but we fly in it all the time.. your argument is flawed.
originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: Whynotman
Basically none of what you said is true. Can you explain what artifacts you think vanished? Can you explain what information you think NASA is hiding? The Apollo program is one of the most well documented and publicly disclosed events in human history. The simple fact of the matter is that in nearly 50 years not a single piece of evidence presented by the hoax crowd hasn't been shown to be either ignorance of basic science or outright lies.
originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: SolarSon
If it's the same mountain, why does it look completely different? Even by hoax theologian standards this is terrible.
originally posted by: SolarSon
a reply to: CB328
This alone is enough evidence they faked it. One photo of a "training site" here on Earth, with Buzz Aldrin and some other NASA guy, posting in front of a barren landscape with a mountain in the background. Then, another photo, from the "Moon", with the same landscape and exactly same mountain in the background.
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originally posted by: turbonium1
Nothing at all is seen from the surface, that's the problem here.
You have no support for it, no examples of any kind, no way to repeat it on Earth...
Face the reality, or stay in denial, nothing will change the facts here...
They are still trying to quantify it, right now, that's the whole problem...
Asking me to quantify it when it's not known yet?!?
You compare this to the weather???
We are still flying, in one.
We never fly in the other one, at all..
That's your comparison?
originally posted by: choos
i have supported it, you ignored it.. not my problem you choose to ignore it.
originally posted by: choos
it is known, what isnt known is how and why it behaves the way it does. you are the only one that refuses to believe that they have no clue what the levels of exposures will be.
originally posted by: choos
yes, like you said we are flying in one while we are still studying it to this very day.. according to your argument flying machines are a hoax.. so are birds, or do birds know everything about the weather??
originally posted by: turbonium1
To know this area is not seen in any 'surface' images is an absolute fact, and you choose to ignore that fact, which is not my problem.
The VAB always changes, and nobody knew that in the Apollo-era. Nobody could take accurate measurements, because it changes all the time, and nobody knew that at the time.
You've made a claim - that Apollo always flew around the VAB, or most of it, anyway.
You have nothing at all to support your claim, yet STILL you go on and on, claiming it!!
Why?
We study the weather, but know enough to fly planes in it.
We don't fly humans in the VAB.
That is your own comparison!!
What indicates that they knew so much about the VAB, at the time?
Compared to, what indicates they didn't know much about the VAB, at the time?
- no data is used for any of their studies, for one.
- nobody knew the VAB are very dynamic, just the opposite, in fact.
- nobody has ever attempted to fly through, or around, the VAB since then.
- no evidence exists for Apollo flying around the VAB, as claimed.
So what do you have?
Regardless of the differences of the flux levels in the Inner and Outer Van Allen belts, the beta radiation levels would be dangerous to humans if they were exposed for an extended period of time. The Apollo missions minimised hazards for astronauts by sending spacecraft at high speeds through the thinner areas of the upper belts, bypassing inner belts completely.
Astronauts' overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.
Miniaturization and digitization of electronics and logic circuits have made satellites more vulnerable to radiation, as the total electric charge in these circuits is now small enough so as to be comparable with the charge of incoming ions.
A satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit (200 by 20,000 miles (320 by 32,190 km)) passing the radiation belts will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) per year (for comparison, a full-body dose of 5 Sv is deadly). Almost all radiation will be received while passing the inner belt.
Explorer 4, Pioneer 3, Luna 1
a reply to: syrinx high priest
there are plenty of 3rd party verifications
Baysingers observations
originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: syrinx high priest
there are plenty of 3rd party verifications
Baysingers observations
theres an overwhelming consensus that Baysingers association with UFO organizations made them a susceptible target to be feed hoaxed transmissions associated with a disinformation campaign.