Discovery Of Underground Bosnian Pyramid Tunnels

a reply to: TheBIHPyramids

thanks for sharing this info!

I was always of the opinion that this was a pyramid.
But I am sure that for the mainstream is hard to accept this, it would mean that they have to rewrite a large part of their textbooks. : )

There are also many other signs of ancient advanced civilization that it is obvious for me there were people here long before science is currently prepared to admit, in my opinion.

But the truth is what it is.

And when it will appear it will hit hard!

: )

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: TheBIHPyramids

thanks for sharing this info!

I was always of the opinion that this was a pyramid.
But I am sure that for the mainstream is hard to accept this, it would mean that they have to rewrite a large part of their textbooks. : )

There are also many other signs of ancient advanced civilization that it is obvious for me there were people here long before science is currently prepared to admit, in my opinion.

But the truth is what it is.

And when it will appear it will hit hard!

: )

I totally agree with you. We are learning, in schools, that everything began 8000 BCE, and that is not true at all. There has been other advanced civilizations on our earth also before the last ice age. The best example now is Göbekli Tepe which was built circa 10 000 BCE.

originally posted by: UniFinity
But I am sure that for the mainstream is hard to accept this, it would mean that they have to rewrite a large part of their textbooks.

Textbooks and science books are constantly being rewritten. When's the last time you saw a biology book claiming that mouldy straw will give birth to mice or that if a mother is frightened by something her baby will have a birthmark in that shape or a modern history book that claims the US is still a colony of Great Britain?

However, the mainstream isn't going to call something a "pyramid" when it's not an actual pyramid shape, nor will they call it manmade when the same rock layers are found in the same order and at the same height in every hill and mountain around there.

originally posted by: TheBIHPyramids
There has been other advanced civilizations on our earth also before the last ice age. The best example now is Göbekli Tepe which was built circa 10 000 BCE.

Gobekli Tepe (which is the name of a place and not a people) is not an example of civilization or the work of a civilization.

A civilization is a collection of people who have the same culture AND who are living in one place AND who have domesticated animals and have learned farming so that their society is not a hunter-gather society but has specialists. It was built in several stages over a long period of time by people who didn't have pottery but did have a culture and not a civilization

a reply to: Byrd

sorry Byrd, I respect your opinion a lot about this stuff, but we will have to just agree to disagree on this.

There are many links which TheBIHPyramids user posted and they are more than enough evidence for me, that there is something there. I just call it as I see it...and no hills around my location are like that! And I live "in the hills" or have been around them all my life (The Julian Alps).

You may say it may be a rock, but it is obviously that there is some ancient construction going on which is way outside of story we have today as history, in my opinion.

Many russians and people not from the west who are into related sciences, seem to believe that more every day - that history is not as it is presented today.

I am sure you have heard all about it, but for other open minded readers this link may be interesting:
en.wikipedia.org...(Fomenko)

Also another interesting link for the ones who dare fantasise that mainstream history is more like fantasy in some cases...
megaliths.org...

(this is not my website, but it is packed with juicy informations)

For me the tunnels are real and the pyramid is also real. The information is available to everyone on the net, if anyone is curious they can research on their own and make personal conclusions, I did that and at the present moment there is only one conclusion... But if this is the right one or not...well I guess the future holds this answer.

will find out the truth about them eventually, whatever that may be.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: UniFinity
But I am sure that for the mainstream is hard to accept this, it would mean that they have to rewrite a large part of their textbooks.

Textbooks and science books are constantly being rewritten. When's the last time you saw a biology book claiming that mouldy straw will give birth to mice or that if a mother is frightened by something her baby will have a birthmark in that shape or a modern history book that claims the US is still a colony of Great Britain?

However, the mainstream isn't going to call something a "pyramid" when it's not an actual pyramid shape, nor will they call it manmade when the same rock layers are found in the same order and at the same height in every hill and mountain around there.

It doesn't need to be a pyramid, it could also be an ancient structure of some kind. There are pyramids all around the world with different shapes and materials.

Here is how the Pyramid of Sun looked like in Mexico before excavation:



Looks like an hill, right?

Like I said, you can't compare other structures with the structures in Visoko. The age, geography, materials etc. are different.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: TheBIHPyramids
There has been other advanced civilizations on our earth also before the last ice age. The best example now is Göbekli Tepe which was built circa 10 000 BCE.

Gobekli Tepe (which is the name of a place and not a people) is not an example of civilization or the work of a civilization.

A civilization is a collection of people who have the same culture AND who are living in one place AND who have domesticated animals and have learned farming so that their society is not a hunter-gather society but has specialists. It was built in several stages over a long period of time by people who didn't have pottery but did have a culture and not a civilization

But they managed to build all those structures, right?



Look, for some years ago, we only thought that people were living in small caves and that they were drawing stuff on the walls. While the people that built the structures in Turkey managed to build those T-structures with advanced materials.

Isn't this the area where the sun/shadows allegedly form a cross in the sky?

Aren't there stories about this area being the cradle of civilization?

I'm interested in these two things if anyone can expound with minimal clicks.

I'd like to believe. But believing for the sake of, wouldn't lead me/us to the truth.

originally posted by: CheckPointCharlie
Isn't this the area where the sun/shadows allegedly form a cross in the sky?

Aren't there stories about this area being the cradle of civilization?

I'm interested in these two things if anyone can expound with minimal clicks.

I'd like to believe. But believing for the sake of, wouldn't lead me/us to the truth.

If you talk about the Bosnian Pyramids, then yes, the Bosnian Sun Pyramid is shadowing the Bosnian Moon Pyramid on some days. On a special day the shadow from the Sun Pyramid is shadowing the Moon Pyramid totally (I don't know which day it is right now).

a reply to: TheBIHPyramids

I don't believe that's what I saw before.

A coupla years ago I came across a video which contained an image of clearly a cross, forming in the clouds/mist caused by the shadows. I'm almost certain the Bosnian Pyramids were the subject of this long video. If I recall correctly, the cross formed in the air. I don't remember the name of the video, just that it was long, so I'm not gonna search for it due to its tedious nature, you understand.

I am certain this same video theorized this area, Bosnian Pyramids or not (although I'm sure it was), was also the true cradle of civilization. Is this associated with the BP? If so, can you expound on that?

originally posted by: TheBIHPyramids
It doesn't need to be a pyramid, it could also be an ancient structure of some kind. There are pyramids all around the world with different shapes and materials.

Here is how the Pyramid of Sun looked like in Mexico before excavation:

Looks like an hill, right?

Like I said, you can't compare other structures with the structures in Visoko. The age, geography, materials etc. are different.

Here's the thing, though... the "hill" in that photo is made from different rocks than the surrounding countryside's hills. The blocks are of relatively uniform size, and are carved and decorated.

Bosnia, no. The site's limestone beds are the exact same beds and in the same order as the rest of the landscape for a hundred square miles or so. Indeed, the stone layers show ripple marks from the ocean floor (so it's clearly not dressed or modified or dug up from anywhere else.) Bosnia is not a regular shape (unlike Mexico), and the multiple "Bosnian Pyramids" are each of a different shape (unlike the pyramid of the Sun & Moon in Mexico, which show the same proportions and same shape.

originally posted by: CheckPointCharlie

Aren't there stories about this area being the cradle of civilization?

No claims I know of.

In order to be a "cradle of civilization", the area has to have developed agriculture and been planting and modifying their food crops, domesticated animals, and been able to support cities/towns of 2,000 or more in one location as well as creating a distinct culture that trades with and exploits others in the area. Usually they also develop writing.

So... Sumeria, Egypt, and slightly later, India (Harappan civilization)

A "culture" is simply a group of people with a distinct lifestyle and set of symbols. They may or may not have distinct technology.

originally posted by: CheckPointCharlie
a reply to: TheBIHPyramids

I don't believe that's what I saw before.

A coupla years ago I came across a video which contained an image of clearly a cross, forming in the clouds/mist caused by the shadows. I'm almost certain the Bosnian Pyramids were the subject of this long video. If I recall correctly, the cross formed in the air. I don't remember the name of the video, just that it was long, so I'm not gonna search for it due to its tedious nature, you understand.

I am certain this same video theorized this area, Bosnian Pyramids or not (although I'm sure it was), was also the true cradle of civilization. Is this associated with the BP? If so, can you expound on that?

Hm, interesting. I think that I have seen that video before, or some of it.

Well, there are a lot of theories out there about the Bosnian Pyramids. There has been a lot of discussions if the Bosnian Pyramids are the first civilization on earth, but there are no scientific evidence (yet), although there has been C-14 datings on the Bosnian Sun Pyramid, and the pyramid, right now, is 30 000 years old, which pushes our history circa 20 000 years back in time.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: TheBIHPyramids
It doesn't need to be a pyramid, it could also be an ancient structure of some kind. There are pyramids all around the world with different shapes and materials.

Here is how the Pyramid of Sun looked like in Mexico before excavation:

Looks like an hill, right?

Like I said, you can't compare other structures with the structures in Visoko. The age, geography, materials etc. are different.

Here's the thing, though... the "hill" in that photo is made from different rocks than the surrounding countryside's hills. The blocks are of relatively uniform size, and are carved and decorated.

Bosnia, no. The site's limestone beds are the exact same beds and in the same order as the rest of the landscape for a hundred square miles or so. Indeed, the stone layers show ripple marks from the ocean floor (so it's clearly not dressed or modified or dug up from anywhere else.) Bosnia is not a regular shape (unlike Mexico), and the multiple "Bosnian Pyramids" are each of a different shape (unlike the pyramid of the Sun & Moon in Mexico, which show the same proportions and same shape.

Well, you need to look in different perspectives. The Bosnian Pyramids were built by the materials the unknown civilization found in the surrounding areas. One of great theories by Dr. Osmanagich is that the first civilization made the tunnels (Ravne) and then used this material to build blocks for the Bosnian Sun Pyramid. The walls in Ravne is conglomerate and this conglomerate was mixed with clay (clay gives structural stability) and then you got those blocks on the Sun Pyramid. Other pyramids, have a more sandstone-ish material.

One of the blocks on the Bosnian Sun Pyramid:

originally posted by: TheBIHPyramids
Well, you need to look in different perspectives. The Bosnian Pyramids were built by the materials the unknown civilization found in the surrounding areas.

Where are the farms and the manufacturing structures, then?

One of great theories by Dr. Osmanagich is that the first civilization made the tunnels (Ravne) and then used this material to build blocks for the Bosnian Sun Pyramid.

I invite you to take the height and width of the hill and then calculate just how much stone is being talked about. I think you'll find the total volume of the tunnels is nowhere near that.

The walls in Ravne is conglomerate and this conglomerate was mixed with clay (clay gives structural stability) and then you got those blocks on the Sun Pyramid. Other pyramids, have a more sandstone-ish material.

Three things:
* you can't just mix clay with conglomerate and get rock. In fact, if you look at Egypt and other places with clay bricks, you can see how fast they degrade. The "big blocks" doesn't work here, because time has destroyed clay brick walls that were over 20 feet thick and over 50 feet high... in Egypt... which has a lot less rain than Bosnia. Objects that large in clay will make it less stable.
* now... someone might say "binding agent" or "fired" -- and in that case, where's the evidence of ovens that huge and the amount of ash and charcoal they'd leave behind? It would take weeks of firing to produce a block that big, which means a lot of fuel consumed. (you can read about the process here... and think about it in terms of those blocks)

One of the blocks on the Bosnian Sun Pyramid:

Now explain why there are blocks like that in the other hills - and at the same height? And why the non-conglomerate layers in that hill also appear in other hills in a hundred mile radius (same approximate thickness, same approximate height)

a reply to: Byrd

1. They could have disappeared, because the structures are 30 000 years old. However, there has been found many artefacts from Romans, Butmir and neolithic times. Here you have some of the artefacts that has been found in Visoko: www.youtube.com...

2. They could have used other type of material and not only the conglomerate from the tunnels.

3. Under the concrete of the Pyramid of the Sun, the series of large sandstone blocks show various types of rocks (differing pebbles and cobbles), including sandy quartz limestone, when more closely analyzed. It is thought that the concrete is made from material found at a locally deposited post glacial conglomerate. Experts who examined these crystals determined that during the manufacturing process, the materials were heated to above 500 degrees. Studies done at the University of Paris discovered that the concrete material found on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun was five times stronger than modern day concrete. The concrete was shown to be resistant to 94 Megapascals of pressure, which means it is highly compressed and extremely rigid - concrete of this strength is only available in a few very developed countries at special request. The founder of the French Institute of Polymers, Joseph Davidovits, Ph.D. performed an electronic microscopic analysis on a sample of concrete; he concluded that the chemical composition of the old concrete’s basis is a calcium/potassium geopolymer cement. He found the cement to be five times stronger and five times more water resistant than any concrete able to be made today.

Source: www.bosnianpyramids.org...

4. Could you give me examples? You can clearly see that the blocks are triangular and cross each other in the middle. Furthermore the blocks go under each other. I haven't seen these kind of blocks in Bosnia before.

We could say that the civilization that built the structures in Visoko was very close with the nature. The pyramids in Visoko was never about the beauty, like in Egypt or Mexico, it was about the energetic purposes and the function of the structures.

Here you have the concrete analysis of the Bosnian pyramids: www.youtube.com...

a reply to: TheBIHPyramids

In concern to point number 4 I found those photos quite fascinating as a there is this piece of coast near where I live that has those exact rock formations. As a kid I remember trying without success to dig the stones out. I can say for certainty that around my coastline that it is all natural. I have to agree with the criticisms here. There is just no what I call "signs of life". If so many people had lived around there and built great structures, they would would have left more behind than a couple of dubious looking pyramids. There should be there should be remnants of housing, little stone idols in the soil, jewellery, musical instruments, toys, some carvings somewhere, perhaps a necropolis, even in Chauvet Cave there are fossilised remains speaking of which Chauvet Cave proves that 30 000 years ago they were adept painters, surely we would have found (especially in tunnels) some of that basic art form. We have been able to discover Palaeolithic villages, their encampments, stones idols, bone and stone necklaces, antler carved bangles, bone flutes and their little stone arrow heads and cutting tools, we have found stone tools at Lake Turkana dating back 3.3 million years yet no one can seem to find a single thing left behind from a whole civilisation that is only 30 000 years old? I find that too far fetched.

originally posted by: LifeInVirtual
a reply to: TheBIHPyramids

In concern to point number 4 I found those photos quite fascinating as a there is this piece of coast near where I live that has those exact rock formations. As a kid I remember trying without success to dig the stones out. I can say for certainty that around my coastline that it is all natural. I have to agree with the criticisms here. There is just no what I call "signs of life". If so many people had lived around there and built great structures, they would would have left more behind than a couple of dubious looking pyramids. There should be there should be remnants of housing, little stone idols in the soil, jewellery, musical instruments, toys, some carvings somewhere, perhaps a necropolis, even in Chauvet Cave there are fossilised remains speaking of which Chauvet Cave proves that 30 000 years ago they were adept painters, surely we would have found (especially in tunnels) some of that basic art form. We have been able to discover Palaeolithic villages, their encampments, stones idols, bone and stone necklaces, antler carved bangles, bone flutes and their little stone arrow heads and cutting tools, we have found stone tools at Lake Turkana dating back 3.3 million years yet no one can seem to find a single thing left behind from a whole civilisation that is only 30 000 years old? I find that too far fetched.

Well, I recommend you to watch this video of some of the artefatcts: www.youtube.com... and read the archaeological reports: piramidasunca.ba...

originally posted by: TheBIHPyramids
a reply to: Byrd

1. They could have disappeared, because the structures are 30 000 years old. However, there has been found many artefacts from Romans, Butmir and neolithic times. Here you have some of the artefacts that has been found in Visoko: www.youtube.com...

The pottery shards are not 30,000 years old... they're 3,000 years old and of a known culture. A number of the "artifacts" are just rocks that were not shaped by humans. The quartz blades are lovely but they are dateable to cultures that were there within the past 4,000 years.

2. They could have used other type of material and not only the conglomerate from the tunnels.

However, the claim is that it came from the tunnels only; not elsewhere.

3. Under the concrete of the Pyramid of the Sun, the series of large sandstone blocks show various types of rocks (differing pebbles and cobbles), including sandy quartz limestone, when more closely analyzed.

So Osmanagic is backing off his claims, then?

It is thought that the concrete is made from material found at a locally deposited post glacial conglomerate.
Experts who examined these crystals determined that during the manufacturing process, the materials were heated to above 500 degrees.

Quartz that's heated to that degree often turns dark red. I'm not seeing that.

Studies done at the University of Paris discovered that the concrete material found on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun was five times stronger than modern day concrete. The concrete was shown to be resistant to 94 Megapascals of pressure, which means it is highly compressed and extremely rigid - concrete of this strength is only available in a few very developed countries at special request. The founder of the French Institute of Polymers, Joseph Davidovits, Ph.D. performed an electronic microscopic analysis on a sample of concrete; he concluded that the chemical composition of the old concrete’s basis is a calcium/potassium geopolymer cement. He found the cement to be five times stronger and five times more water resistant than any concrete able to be made today.

His theories aren't accepted, really... Nor are those blocks stronger and more resistant than those made today. Limestone, because it's finer-grained than concrete, displays different properties but what's reported is consistent with the properties of limestone.

You can see the general geologic areas at this link

4. Could you give me examples? You can clearly see that the blocks are triangular and cross each other in the middle. Furthermore the blocks go under each other. I haven't seen these kind of blocks in Bosnia before.

I'll look further, but you can see some of these types of blocks in a road cut here

We could say that the civilization that built the structures in Visoko was very close with the nature. The pyramids in Visoko was never about the beauty, like in Egypt or Mexico, it was about the energetic purposes and the function of the structures.

Again, the main argument is that civilizations don't suddenly "appear"... they are formed from existing cultures. Civilizations are made up of a lot of people and they are fed by farms and have food storage and domestic animals (domesticating animals produces changes in their bodies) - and at 30,000 years of age and with all the advantages of civilization, we should find their artifacts all over the region.