Catholic Nun Explains Pro-Life In A Way That Will Stun Many (Especially Republican Lawmakers)

a reply to: FyreByrd

Maybe because they don't get any press?

There were many alternatives to Obamacare, and the only way you would have known about any of them is if you went to website that list proposed legislation and/or amendments and actually read them. The press sure wasn't reporting on them, but I went and looked. And lo and behold, there they were. Of course, if no one knows about them, then there is no discussion about them

Out of sight, out of mind.

However, let's look at the education issue. Do you disagree that a good, solid education is the key to elevating yourself out of poverty?

Then what examples do we have of progressive efforts to fix the inner city school districts. I don't see many aside from whining about needing more cash. The problem is that cash in and of itself is only a tool, not a solution. You cannot fix something simply by throwing money at it. Meanwhile, inner city kids fall further and further behind even though in many districts, the money spent per pupil is equivalent to the tuition money spend at solid private schools.

One possible solution is to allow the parents to send their children to one of those private schools and turn the money spend per pupil into a voucher that would cover those costs all or in part, but all we hear is how bad that would be. Why? Throwing more money into those schools for decades hasn't done a thing for them.

a reply to: FyreByrd

I don't think that's what she said at all. But if so called pro-lifers acted on taking care of these born 'unwanted' children the world would be a little better place.

Many of them do, and I personally know someone who survived a botched abortion and even forgave her birth mother. Do you think it's all Progressives who defend abortion who take care of these unwanted children? Then why did our fearless leader refuse to vote for the bill that would saved abortion babies from the trash can?

a reply to: ketsuko

In fact cash was used by current admin to promote the hideous Common Core National Standards, including the National Sexuality Education Standards which promoted educational materials often use odd techniques of teaching young children, such as cartoonish drawings of kids in bed together, and promoting gender confusion by placing male heads on female bodies and vice versa. Once the governor of a state signed on to receive the funding, they had to adopt the Common Core standards.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: FyreByrd

So Democrat men are "championing" women's rights over the rights of future Democrat voters???

WTF are you talking about I never said any such thing. You need to reread my statement and try to understand what I accually said.

I know what you said and I think probably why you said it. I just wanted to see how your logic works the other way around. I might add that the Progressive ruling elites are as Malthusian as any Republican, in that they are interested in depopulating the world, you know as in the famed Club of Rome study "Limits To Growth". The ultimate goal of Agenda 21 is to depopulate the earth to around 500 million people, and to limit everyone's resources to accomplish that.

So you can read my mind and know what I'm thinking? That's called projection.

I said what I said and nothing more.

I can understand why people are personally anti-abortion. But I don't understand why they feel the need to 'force' their convictions on to others.

In the interests of discussion and nothing more I shared something an old professor had said about the 'possible' motivations of the many male leaders for the anti-abortion movement. And I believe I clearly stated that I wasn't agreeing with that position just that it was worth considering. And I stated how sad I thought that possible motivation for male leaders of the anti-abortion movement truly was.

Seems I may have touched a nerve with my conjecture.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FyreByrd

Maybe because they don't get any press?

There were many alternatives to Obamacare, and the only way you would have known about any of them is if you went to website that list proposed legislation and/or amendments and actually read them. The press sure wasn't reporting on them, but I went and looked. And lo and behold, there they were. Of course, if no one knows about them, then there is no discussion about them

Out of sight, out of mind.

However, let's look at the education issue. Do you disagree that a good, solid education is the key to elevating yourself out of poverty?

Then what examples do we have of progressive efforts to fix the inner city school districts. I don't see many aside from whining about needing more cash. The problem is that cash in and of itself is only a tool, not a solution. You cannot fix something simply by throwing money at it. Meanwhile, inner city kids fall further and further behind even though in many districts, the money spent per pupil is equivalent to the tuition money spend at solid private schools.

One possible solution is to allow the parents to send their children to one of those private schools and turn the money spend per pupil into a voucher that would cover those costs all or in part, but all we hear is how bad that would be. Why? Throwing more money into those schools for decades hasn't done a thing for them.

Sweet cheeks - so called ObamaCare was a Heritage/Conservative creation - and no discussion of a single-payer options was allowed. A step in the right direction but a HUGE giveaway - a HUGE welfare payment to big Medicine.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Even aside from Common Core issues, children from different areas of the country comprising different ethic-social groups and different socio-economic levels and different cultural backgrounds will have differing educational needs and styles. Common Core attempts to create a one-size-fits all approach and them pound every child into that mold, square peg or round.

Leaving educational decisions more in the hands of local control gives different areas more latitude to find approaches that work better for the children in their areas.

a reply to: dawnstar

so, in essence, because she is women, she doesn't have the right to protect what is her own??

Her own life you mean? Yes she does, but not to the detriment of life aborning in the womb, which by nature she would have wanted to protect and defend at all costs, but somehow society has ruled that that life is not worthy of defense until it is outside the womb. Is not woman called on by natural instinct to defend her young? We see this even reflected in the animal kingdom when a bear or dog will lash out against intruders trying to hurt their young.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Even aside from Common Core issues, children from different areas of the country comprising different ethic-social groups and different socio-economic levels and different cultural backgrounds will have differing educational needs and styles. Common Core attempts to create a one-size-fits all approach and them pound every child into that mold, square peg or round.

Leaving educational decisions more in the hands of local control gives different areas more latitude to find approaches that work better for the children in their areas.

I agree with you, and this is why I like Scott Walker's stance on local control. But I only heard it in his opening bid statement and the press has not promoted it like they are hyping Donald Trump's position.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Again its the women and her doctors decision, not how you feel about abortions, we all feel different about alot of stuff, but really who cares what are opinions are.

A women and her doctor, not that hard to get.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Sweet cheeks - so called ObamaCare was a Heritage/Conservative creation - and no discussion of a single-payer options was allowed. A step in the right direction but a HUGE giveaway - a HUGE welfare payment to big Medicine.

way to blame all this train wreck on republicans. Then you do not support ACA? Good neither do I. Premiums went up drastically even before this horrid piece of legislation was passed. I'd be interested to know if you perchance noticed that only two Republicans voted for it (Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins to be exact) and nearly all Democrats voted for it. Not to mention the railroading of blue dog democrats to support the legislation through all manner of coercion
oooohhhh wait you said its a step in the right direction, so in your mind the giveaway to Big Medicine is small price to pay for everyone to have access to insurance.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Yes, yes, I know. If only the government ran it all like they do our education system, everything would work out fine.

By the way, you totally forgot to address the education issue, but hey, let's make our health care system operate JUST like our education system. I'm completely sure things would totally work out OK. After all, it's not like we don't have the very best and most educated populace in the entire world. /sarcasm

I guess you also want us to have most healthy one too.

Of course, we do have public options in health care. They are called Medicare, Medicaid and Tricare. We also have the wonderful VA system.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Again its the women and her doctors decision, not how you feel about abortions, we all feel different about alot of stuff, but really who cares what are opinions are.

A women and her doctor, not that hard to get.

Yes yes I know what you are saying. However, most Pro Life people never use this type of argument. Your "non-opinion" seems as much an opinion as any other...in that it's an excuse for not having to take a stand. A non-opinion is much like the consent of the governed via non response. Or perhaps even an unwillingness to take a stand for the knowledge that one will be subject to the extreme wrath of the pro Choice movement, but it's really a perversion of personal freedom and Liberty.

a reply to: ketsuko

Ive said this before recently but Medicaid Recovery gives the government the right to track down what is remaining of a deceased person's estate in order to cover costs of hospitalization. I recently learned this when a friend of mine had cancer. They can even go after gifts given to friends if they want.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

Sweet cheeks - so called ObamaCare was a Heritage/Conservative creation - and no discussion of a single-payer options was allowed. A step in the right direction but a HUGE giveaway - a HUGE welfare payment to big Medicine.

And rejected by Republicans.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: muse7

OMG he is so right.
Anti women so darn right.

anti-woman for a long time...men ready to put woman in jail, because men don't like what a woman does, inside her own body.....these men think they own the woman's body, and since men are smarter, control it.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: FyreByrd

Sweet cheeks - so called ObamaCare was a Heritage/Conservative creation - and no discussion of a single-payer options was allowed. A step in the right direction but a HUGE giveaway - a HUGE welfare payment to big Medicine.

And rejected by Republicans.

tell me about the positive legislation passed by both republican house and senate...is there any, helping the middle class and poor?.....republicans are great at rejection, punishment, and doing away with programs, that directly help the middle class and poor. how about legislation that doesn't benefit the wealthy and corporate...any of that floating around?

a reply to: jimmyx

Senate needs 60 votes to pass bills.

Then Obama vetoes anyway.



The joke's on you.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

think that it's funny that many of these "pro life" people are also against welfare, food stamps, and contraception.

I'm not really against these things explicitly. Our safety net uses these things and I work with plenty of individuals who rely on food stamps and subsidized housing. I just don't see it as a means to a good end, I see it as a bandaid in lieu of a better way. Cloward and Piven saw the safety net as a sort of stumbling block to the real socialist world they envisioned and so they set out to "overwhelm" the system to break it. Its in their own literature of which our current WH Occupier is most definitely acquainted. If we don't limit who has access to these programs then people will come from all over the world to get it. In fact this is what is being done even now.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I deal in facts, not big words and personal opinions, i am against abortions but like i said earlier im not planning to get one.

All i see is people pushing there agenda using emotional responses, it fails everytime.

a reply to: FyreByrd

So you can read my mind and know what I'm thinking? That's called projection.

No I cannot read your mind, it's a bit more like inductive reasoning.