1988 Oprah asks Trump if he'd ever run for president-Here's his answer!

So he becomes President and as Bill Hicks theorised, they take him in a room, show him a video of Kennedy's assassination and say 'Do you understand how it works?'.

Trump is at odds with TPTB currently, but if he gets your vote, watch what he doesn't do if he becomes President.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I don't disagree with you. The hope is that he's big enough to overcome that meeting. Or if anyone is big enough, I'm not stuck on trump per se.

a reply to: SunnyDee

Unfortunately no one will be allowed to become President without the consent of TPTB. It's the same here in the U.K, no one will become Prime Minister unless they are a Bilderberger. That has gone on since the fifties here and in other countries in the E.U.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: SunnyDee

Unfortunately no one will be allowed to become President without the consent of TPTB. It's the same here in the U.K, no one will become Prime Minister unless they are a Bilderberger. That has gone on since the fifties here and in other countries in the E.U.

Here's the thing, again I don't disagree with you.....I am sure Trump knows this too. I hope his money buys him enough airtime to sway a whole nation to the point that a fix would be too obvious.

Wow! You can see a lot of his same inclinations expressed in this video, but it's not as extreme. He has the rapid-firing intellect here in what? His early 30s or so. He is less absolute, yet still confident, still ego-ridden, but not quite maniacal. I can respect this guy more than what's presented today.

Imagine someone shaping their act over many years, trying out a wide range of tactics, and zooming in on the most productive few. That's the Donald today. Very interesting to see him way back then.

originally posted by: SunnyDee
a reply to: Cobaltic1978
Or if anyone is big enough,

No one is. Unless they are immune to death and/or having any of the following from happening:

- having child porn planted on their computer
- being drugged and stuck behind the wheel of a moving vehicle
- having a past mistake of someone you love being brought to light to disastrous effect

Nope...if you did it, they know. Information is the most powerful weapon against humans. And when that fails...you still have poisons, bullets, plane crashes, etc.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
Wow! You can see a lot of his same inclinations expressed in this video, but it's not as extreme. He has the rapid-firing intellect here in what? His early 30s or so. He is less absolute, yet still confident, still ego-ridden, but not quite maniacal. I can respect this guy more than what's presented today.

Imagine someone shaping their act over many years, trying out a wide range of tactics, and zooming in on the most productive few. That's the Donald today. Very interesting to see him way back then.

THank you! This was my exact point in sharing this video!

Trump should stop politicing, and just run on the slogan: "Trump: Why Not?"

To the majority of folks, that is all he's got going for him. When you look around that pack of wolves that each party is putting up, jumping over the cliff may seem like the only possible chance of survival. So why not?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: SunnyDee
a reply to: Cobaltic1978
Or if anyone is big enough,

No one is. Unless they are immune to death and/or having any of the following from happening:

- having child porn planted on their computer
- being drugged and stuck behind the wheel of a moving vehicle
- having a past mistake of someone you love being brought to light to disastrous effect

Nope...if you did it, they know. Information is the most powerful weapon against humans. And when that fails...you still have poisons, bullets, plane crashes, etc.

Well now you're just being a downer. Trump is a very intelligent man. My hope is he or someone like he, has the antidote to all you mentioned, money is power after all and he is not afraid to use either!

Without hope, what have we got? If they do bring him to his knees, I'd think he would only go down kicking and screaming for us all to hear loud and clear.

a reply to: SunnyDee

My wish out of all these people is a hybrid that would never come to be.

Trump and Sanders as a package deal. If you had Sanders raking in monies from the rich, distributing back to the poor and middle, then Trump locking in trade deals and making sure companies are disincentive from shipping overseas in spite of the tax penalty for staying, you'd have a winning ticket.

It would be impossible to happen on many fronts. First, who takes the backseat and who leads? Second, how to get both to run independent? Third, how to ensure they don't strangle each other to death in office?

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: SunnyDee

My wish out of all these people is a hybrid that would never come to be.

Trump and Sanders as a package deal. If you had Sanders raking in monies from the rich, distributing back to the poor and middle, then Trump locking in trade deals and making sure companies are disincentive from shipping overseas in spite of the tax penalty for staying, you'd have a winning ticket.

Sorry but the Sanders policy IS a major disincentive. Why work your butt off to be rich if someone is only going to take all of it and give it to people who aren't working like you did?

a reply to: ketsuko

LOL I know you don't believe in working for the good of the people, while still getting more than the average employee, and simultaneously giving back in the form of high taxes. Doesn't mean it hasn't been a reality in our past, and can't be again in our future.

The incentive is to challenge yourself, and better your society. Is that really beyond your understanding? I don't think so, you just don't like the sound of it, all the same.

If you want to be taken seriously you should quit with the absolutes that are intellectually dishonest. Nobody is taking away all of your monies, and the rest are not all working less than the .1%. If you speak a bit more realistic, it'll go a long way to making a legitimate debate. As is, it comes off as troll-bait.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

I hear ya, but Sanders is anti-guns. I can't vote for anyone with this stance. I don't even like guns, but I know that a society left personally unprotected, is at risk of being slaughtered by a corrupt govt. History has shown us this, time and again.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
The incentive is to challenge yourself, and better your society. Is that really beyond your understanding? I don't think so, you just don't like the sound of it, all the same.

I finally stopped laughing enough to type this. I really do like the way you think. In a utopian society, you would be exactly right. Communism would be super. Everyone would have all they needed, and nobody would ever want more than their neighbor. There is one tiny flaw in all that.

Greed. The real world. Bad people.

Sorry about all that.

a reply to: network dude

It's cool. The point is not to deny human instincts, it's to work with them in an enlightened way. That is the initial goal of all government ideologies. Balance, and acceptance is key.

Utopia is unattainable while basic resources are not realistically able to be met for each individual, and it's debatable if we're at that point yet.

The thing about instincts, and genetics is that they are expressed and turned on or off depending on circumstances. Strategies and tactics of individuals and societies at large are not static, and always found, rather ebb and flow as opportunities arise, and are shut down due to circumstances. Conscious efforts can shape those circumstances.

Make sense?

It's not merely an ideal, it's an ongoing effort needed by people. A sway this or that way, but always the ideal is in mind.

a reply to: SunnyDee

I know a couple of billionaires. One thing I can say from knowing these people: they don't get to have that amount of wealth by being exceedingly altruistic, and they leverage networks and relationships like you and I leverage $100 bills.

While I admire the achievements of these people, I wouldnt exactly call them "nice people".

originally posted by: SunnyDee

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Ah hell, why not elect him. The Democrats will just use the same script the Republicans used with Obama -- they'll band together and block anything Trump tries to do. They'll demonize his every action, and criticize his over involvement, or lack of involvement in everything. They'll blame everything from it raining to their dog dying on Trump. Trump cause me to spill my coffee, Trump caused my tire to go flat...ect.

It'll be the same thing, with a different guy in the Oval Office getting nothing done.

So, yeah, why not. It's not like he can screw with anything when congress is on lock down.

Trump is part and parcel of the crony problem. That's the real reason we shouldn't even consider him.

Additionally, there is no underlying reform in anything he has ever said near as I can remember.

It's all just boisterous, occasionally cringeworthy, blather.

So crony capitalism is not your thing, (by the way CC has now become the go-to attack words to anyone that works hard, makes a lot of money and finds ways to go bigger.) You would rather we all make similar livings and give 50% back? Better close the borders then, because the hard working middle class will be the ones getting demolished by a socialistic agenda.

He wants to build a wall. Now I don't think that realistic in the least, but you said that he has not offered one reform. He has said many things that he would do, cringeworthy maybe, but its out there on video. Capitalism is a natural state. (and not all capitalists practice cronyism).Those that work hard are rewarded, those that don't aren't. Ask the Russians.

No, cronyism or "crony capitalism" if you prefer, is the relationship between big corporations, wealthy individuals and special interests of all kinds and their corresponding government regulators.

State supported monopolies are the specific goal in many cases and these are textbook examples of legislative miscarriage. Trump has participated and benefited.

Like another poster said, Trump just stirring the pot. He's another Ron Paul or Kucinich or Ross Perot, trying his hand at it. Of course, he's not likely to win, so he can say whatever he watns.

Mark my words. If Trump EVER becomes likely to win, he'll start shutting up and talking like a parrot, repeating what's PC.

I honestly hope he doesn't win. What possible way can he relate to the average person? His net worth is in the billions. Some 40% of this country doesn't work full time. Median income is something like $52,000. And he did not serve in the military. And previous to this presidential run, he has no political experience. Even Ronald Reagan, a famous hollywood actor, was former California governor and WWII veteran.

The only possible thing I think Trump could do is somewhat balance the people who're filthy rich with the rest of the country. I say this because having a president who's net worth is in teh billions means a lot of americans will be very skeptical and critical of his wealth. This will in turn cause a national debate about wealth. Unsure if it's good or bad.

Whatever little Trump can offer, at what cost will it be to us? Is it really smart to make just anybody president? Would you want your son or daughter to become Trump? What about his recent statements? He said some very mean spirited things--some of which are thought to be racist or bigoted. He seems to represent a backward perspective on the world.

And one more thing. In the OP's linked video, Trump--in 1988--said poor people in Kuwait live like kings? Excuse me? I know they had oil and possibly other menas have getting money, but being poor, no matter where you're, is not living like a king. And I seriously doubt poor people in Kuwait in 1988 were living better than poor people in the US. Trump was just saying something smart-sounding and mean to make a point that countries are using the US. But think about that for a moment. Trump doesn't care about the facts when making a point. He's very showy.

a reply to: greencmp

I won't say he has not practiced this type of capitalism, and I doubt any of us knows that answer off-hand. But what I do see from this man is that he likes to put his name on everything, he is his own man. His attitude does not scream cronyism. I don't see him in the govt's pocket. He's made millions and lost them and made them again. He's no doubt worked the tax system to its highest benefit, but don't we all to the degree available to us?

I just get annoyed with catch phrases being over-used, an no one calling the media out on it.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
The incentive is to challenge yourself, and better your society. Is that really beyond your understanding? I don't think so, you just don't like the sound of it, all the same.

Greed. The real world. Bad people.

I apologize for interjecting,
but sadly the same can be said for the failures in capitalism.
Greed, the real world and bad people have destroyed it.