Vladimir Putin 'ordered killing' of Alexander Litvinenko inquiry told

a reply to: RyleeNator

This off topic but Crimea wasn't stormed there was not one shot fire

Really...





And here you go Russians shooting in Crimea.



I guess you missed them.

Putin is not acting the tough guy because that's what he is been gauded into doing so far according to western propaganda he has shot down a passenger air liner murdered his opposition in the Kremlin and assaninated a turn coat traitor tis all poPPY cock

Your right because tough guys don't threaten the use of nukes.

Actually nobody has said he was the one who pushed the button, but someone he backs did( whether it be a Russian soldier or a separatist)and he doesn't want that known or he wouldn't have vetoed the tribunal.

So who else would have been able to do that in such close proximity to the Kremlin, and it sure was a coincidence the Kremlin cameras didn't pick this up.

SO you don't think Russia would do that...they have journalists killed that they don't like, so why is this one such poppy cock?

Unbelievable. Litvinenko comes down with radiation poisoning from a rare element right after meeting with two men connected to the FSB and people still try to blame the CIA. I wonder how many of those people would blame the FSB if Snowden ended up poisoned after meeting with some CIA agents. My guess is not many.

I also wonder how many of the people trying to justify this assassination by referring to Litivnenko as a traitor would do the same if Snowden were assassinated. Once again I'm guessing zero to none.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I stand corrected they fired a warning shot or two or more something the police in the USA don't do more innocent people killed by us cops than Russian military and journalist get kill in every country don't mean it's the government that's killing them veronica geuring was shot in Ireland by gangsters nobody severed a sentence for her murder

Il totally admit that if you wanted to make Russia look bad this would be a good way to do it, but ole vlad is very smart at 3 and 4 layer deceptions. The rabbit wholes in Russia are on par with the deepest in the world

it wouldn't be anything for Putin to play the "I'm being framed by evil westerners coming for our commie "lootz" and get a double bonus out of killing the journalist. 1 less dissident and the west takes one on the chin...

a reply to: RyleeNator

Well the fact that Reporters Without Borders ranks Russia at 148 out of 179 on their Freedom of Press Index would seem to indicate that Russia isn't exactly friendly towards journalists that don't toe the party line.

originally posted by: ressiv
a reply to: jonnywhite

-------Russia is no angel, that's for sure. The Crimea thing proves they don't have much respect for international rules or the sovereignty of other countries. --------
lolll lolll lolll an democratic electeted gov. was taken over WITH western support ! that was an ILLEGAL act as wel!
and approved by the US aswel
but that fact is kept out of MSM

More of the false Russian missive. The government was not overthrown in a coup same government. The difference is their president fled the country rather then face impeachment proceedings. It's no coincidence that they finished their investigations and he leaves town in the middle of the night.

Now next false assumption by others here this isn't done to attack Putin his widow has been pushing this since 2006. Even Britain tried to shut her up, however she has hired lawyers and investigators and is pushing for prosecution of her husband's killer.

Others here ask why polonium was used simple it is 100 percent lethal. It makes it easy to administer and at the time was thought to be nearly undetectable. Realize it wasn't until after his death that Scotland yard figured it out. The doctor's at the thought it was thallium poisoning. Polonium was perfect because most radiation scanners won't pick it up it emits alpha particles. Detectors are set to detect gama particles since alpha particles cannot even penetrate your skin. The only way polonium exposure is lethal is if ingested. Since it was never used before and very difficult to detect unless your looking for it that was the perfect reason to use it.

How do we know Russians poisoned him several reasons they found traces in the 4th floor of the millinium building where Lugovoy and Kovtun stayed. They also traced the polonium all the way to them leaving the cointry.Lugovoi receives a medal for services to Russia for his actions from putin.

Now comes the why did Putin do it. Two reasons there was a criminal investigation into putins ties to the Russian mob and there actions in Spain he was consulting with Spanish authorities building their case. Remember his job with the FSB was to keep tabs on criminal organizations who he later learns was controlled by Putin. He has 2 good books where he discusses Putins early career and lays out evidence for Moscow apartment bombings and how it traces back to Putin. The second reason is the Italian government was looking into FSB infiltration of the Italian government. Turns out several people where spying and others on the take from the Russian government. Again there is also mob connections involved. This guy was not only damaging Putin but all the FSB agents they had in place in Europe.

So I think I hit most of the questions the Putin defenders like to use to somehow shield him of involvement. Oh one last thing the polonium was directly traced back to a Russian reactor great thing about radioactive material is they leave fingerprints as to their origin.

a reply to: gortex

It would not habe been hard for Putin to have set up a convenient accident that would not have been easily attributed to murder. I don't believe Putin is an idiot which leads me to believe one of two theories.

1. Putin has the support of the government and his people and he wanted to send a message to his people. Showing them what Russia does to traitors.

2. It was done by another group who were hoping everyone would blame Putin, trying to make him out to be evil.

The problem I have, I don't trust either side, so I am 50/50 on why this was done in such an obvious manner.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: gortex

It would not habe been hard for Putin to have set up a convenient accident that would not have been easily attributed to murder. I don't believe Putin is an idiot which leads me to believe one of two theories.

1. Putin has the support of the government and his people and he wanted to send a message to his people. Showing them what Russia does to traitors.

2. It was done by another group who were hoping everyone would blame Putin, trying to make him out to be evil.



The problem I have, I don't trust either side, so I am 50/50 on why this was done in such an obvious manner.

number 2 ! USA is the best at creating a problem to fix. To their benefit.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Unbelievable. Litvinenko comes down with radiation poisoning from a rare element right after meeting with two men connected to the FSB and people still try to blame the CIA. I wonder how many of those people would blame the FSB if Snowden ended up poisoned after meeting with some CIA agents. My guess is not many.

I also wonder how many of the people trying to justify this assassination by referring to Litivnenko as a traitor would do the same if Snowden were assassinated. Once again I'm guessing zero to none.

It's not a RARE element ! It's in a lot of your American films and novels. "Sighs" How can u guys be so blind. Can't u see what the USA is doin ? Moving in on Russia, sanctions,aggression. Whilst using "dirty"tactics and media to betray Russia. Look at the un and Americans history on what they do to country's they want control of. But you Russian haters r the problem with this world. Think you own the world the rule. You ain't #. I'm a simple chippy"carpenter" for sunny Australia and a proud athiest . F the haters, cause they gonna hate. One love

originally posted by: Obi88

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Unbelievable. Litvinenko comes down with radiation poisoning from a rare element right after meeting with two men connected to the FSB and people still try to blame the CIA. I wonder how many of those people would blame the FSB if Snowden ended up poisoned after meeting with some CIA agents. My guess is not many.

I also wonder how many of the people trying to justify this assassination by referring to Litivnenko as a traitor would do the same if Snowden were assassinated. Once again I'm guessing zero to none.

It's not a RARE element ! It's in a lot of your American films and novels. "Sighs" How can u guys be so blind. Can't u see what the USA is doin ? Moving in on Russia, sanctions,aggression. Whilst using "dirty"tactics and media to betray Russia. Look at the un and Americans history on what they do to country's they want control of. But you Russian haters r the problem with this world. Think you own the world the rule. You ain't #. I'm a simple chippy"carpenter" for sunny Australia and a proud athiest

. F the haters, cause they gonna hate. One love

It's not rare are you insane currently Russia is the only world supplier and sells it for 2 million a gram. Russian reactors are the only ones still active that can produce it. The US shut there's down in the 70s after better alternatives was discovered.

Side note this is why Russian warheads need constant care they still use polonium in their trigger mechanism. Also why their is a huge debate on how much of Russians nuclear arsenal is actually functional do to the short half life of polonium.It decays rapidly having a half-life of just 138 days, indicating that whoever acquired the polonium for the murder must have had access to a relatively fresh supply.

a reply to: Obi88

Yes. Rare. The higher you go on the periodic table the rarer the element. Polonium is number 84 and its existence want known until the Curies did their work on radiation.

It's also worth pointing out that the US didn't gain from this. At the time US-Russian relations were good. It wasn't until Putin became imperialistic that relations have soured. If it was the US though it certainly points to the FSB's incompetence. They let the CIA not only find out when their agents were meeting with Litvinenko but also let the CIA plant traces of polonium on them.

a reply to: RyleeNator

I stand corrected they fired a warning shot or two or more something the police in the USA don't do more innocent people killed by us cops than Russian military and journalist get kill in every country don't mean it's the government that's killing them veronica geuring was shot in Ireland by gangsters nobody severed a sentence for her murder

So exactly how many journalists in the US get killed because they aren't liked by the government for what they said about the government?

Now how many do in Russia?

And I never said that journalists that have been killed was because of their government, but in Russia that isn't the case for some.

Amazing how you bashed the US for something that is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

a reply to: Obi88

It's not a RARE element !

I have an idea this is not exactly true...

Polonium is a very rare element in nature. it is found in uranium ores, but none extract it form these ores. Polonium is produced in about 100 g/year by bombarding bismuth with neutrons in a nuclear reactor.

www.lenntech.com...

I see you did your research before saying that.

Moving in on Russia, sanctions,aggression. Whilst using "dirty"tactics and media to betray Russia.

You do know the sanctions would be lifted if Putin would do what is needed for this to happen.

What aggression has the US done toward Russia?

As far as media and dirty tactics...Russia has that title all to themselves.

Look at the un and Americans history on what they do to country's they want control of.

Ah yes because the US runs the UN.

So exactly what country is currently being controlled by the US?

originally posted by: Chadwickus
Gawd another one.

Stop insulting everyone please who doesn't follow the western medias headlines


I think Vladimir could personally have authorised this but something about the way he was killed just doesn't seem right

a reply to: Whereismypassword

What way is that? The fact that he was killed using a nigh-untraceable element primarily produced in Russian reactors after meeting with two men with FSB connections? There's no way out could have been Russia.

All those of you who argue that the use of Polonium proves Russian state involvement (therefore Putin ordered the hit) are guilty of ignorance and a logical non sequitur (don't worry - you are in good company, given the illogical arguments used by lawyers in the British inquest on behalf of their client - Litvinenko's widow). Firstly, Litvinenko was involved in the illegal international smuggling business of radioactive isotopes. Do a few hours research, instead of regurgitating rightwing newspaper headlines, and you will discover this. Hence, Polonium could at the time he was poisoned be bought on the black market. Indeed, at the time it could even be bought online, as was reported by many mainstream news sources, such as Newsweek:
www.newsweek.com...
So the use of this element to poison someone means absolutely ZILCH as to who deployed it. The fact that the chemical could be traced back to Russia does not mean Russians were involved in using it as a weapon. Anyone intent on framing Putin could - if he had the right Russian mafia contacts - get his hands on a sample of Polonium. Secondly, in answer to dragonridr:
"How do we know Russians poisoned him several reasons they found traces in the 4th floor of the millinium building where Lugovoy and Kovtun stayed. They also traced the polonium all the way to them leaving the country.Lugovoi receives a medal for services to Russia for his actions from putin."
The fact that traces were found in the building where Lugovoy and Kovtun stayed does not prove their guilt! For goodness sake, use some common sense. They had tea with Litvinenko when he drank the contaminated tea, so they could have been contaminated by touching his cup but not poisoned because they did not drinkthe tea (presumably, they had their own teapots). The trail could have been left by the real killers in a false flag hit to get Putin blamed. Traces were found all over London, even in Boris Berezovsky. Nor does the fact that Lugovoi was awarded a medal by Putin indicate that it was a reward for killing Litvinenko. It could have been for his services to mother Russia as an FSB agent. The trouble with so many of you is that you present information as evidence when it is merely an arbitrary interpretation to suit your preformed judgement - or, rather, the one the media invent in order to brainwash you. That's what is going on at the London inquest/stitchup - like the Diana inquest, it is a farce because it is not establishing the truth, merely weaving facts into a particular scenario to suit a foregone conclusion (and, yes, we know what forces are behind Mrs Litvinenko! to dupe the British public).

So pleased get informed and use arguments that would stand up in a REAL court, not one being used for propaganda.

a reply to: micpsi

I hate to tell you dosage levels high enough to kill where talking grams could only come from Russia. They are the world supplier. I strongly suggest try reading how much you can buy At .001 micogranules to get to lethal dosages as I mentioned earlier 2 million a gram. The only country on the planet that it doesn't cost two million is Russia since they make it. The only world supplier is Russia and polonium with such a short half life we know that had to be made within a year.

So this means the polonium had to come from a Russian reactor within a year of its use. Care to revise your statement about black market polonium. Dumbest thing I've ever heard since anything but made by a Russian reactor wouldn't be able to kill you suggest you look at how much. 001 microgranules actually is.

Now your trying to convince us that people just walk in to secured nuclear facilities that are important for their nuclear deterent. Meaning reactors go boom and Russian nukes stop working within 2 yrs. But your going to have is believe that Russian security is so lax their running tours through their secured reactors. Hate to tell you but even if. 001 microgranules went missing they would notice. It would be carefully cataloged by the scientists as well as the reactor logs. Your a fool of you think Russia doesn't keep track of its. Breeder reactors since they also export nuclear fuel.

So in your world someone trying to frame Putin broke into a secured Russian reactor forced the staff to hand over 2 million dollars worth of polonium and fled into the night without being caught. Wow that means Russians FSB is useless wouldn't you say. So as you said please get informed before you speak on a topic because it does implicate Russia beyond a doubt. The only thing you could argue is Putin didn't know it was solely an FSB operation that's possible.

a reply to: Isurrender73

1. Putin has the support of the government and his people and he wanted to send a message to his people. Showing them what Russia does to traitors.

Or what happens to people who speak out against Tsar Putin and his regime.

2. It was done by another group who were hoping everyone would blame Putin, trying to make him out to be evil.

The evidence doesn't support that theory.

originally posted by: gortex
, one does not simply buy polonium-210 over the counter.

yup you sure can

Polonium 210

a reply to: scoobyrob

yup you sure can

And the amount you get is very miniscule.

As you have to buy an enormous amount to get enough for a lethal dose. No less than a million dollars worth.

Unless you have a nuclear reactor that you can have easy access to.