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originally posted by: Gryphon66
In your last paragraph, you just drift off into nonsense. I have placed the "blame" for the ACA on the Democrats where it belongs. I place the blame for the Individual Mandate where it belongs. Both Democrats and Republicans have been offering "healthcare reform" for the last 30 years.
Have you read the entire Bible cover to cover? Can you still talk about Jesus?
Have you read the complete works of Shakespeare? Can you still talk about Macbeth?
You're attempting (not very well) to make use of the "all or nothing" fallacy, a version of false dilemma.
If you can refute something I've said with a quote from the ACA, I'll be glad to learn.
If not, quit beating your chest.
The hill profile,
US News and World Report
Mortimer Benjamin Zuckerman
On July 12, 2010, Zuckerman claimed in an interview that he helped to write one of President Barack Obama's political speeches.[12] Long-time Obama speechwriters Jon Favreau and Ben Rhodes disputed the claim and asserted that neither "has ever met or spoken to Mort Zuckerman."[13] Zuckerman later published a clarification of his remarks, stating that his help had come in the form of private conversations with various political officials in which he had offered advice and perspective on different issues.[14]
Zuckerman, a long-time supporter of the Democratic party who cast his vote for Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66
Well they do have some suggestions.
GOP unveils new ObamaCare alternative
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66
I did already.
Right.
Anything new on the Republican Plan for Healthcare? (or for jobs, or immigration or anything they promised?)
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66
I did already.
Right.
Anything new on the Republican Plan for Healthcare? (or for jobs, or immigration or anything they promised?)
Why yes.
The Senate needs 60 votes to pass anything.
The Democrats are threatening to boycott, and Obama is threatening to veto.
Stalemate.
originally posted by: Sunwolf
We get it,you are an apologist for anything in this administration.Healthcare,amnesty,planned parenthood,the topic does n`t seem to matter,as long as it is regressive,er,progressive!
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Ksihkehe
Speaking of things that you haven't been reading ... try my posts.
I'm not "all for it" by any means. It's done a little bit of good. Not enough.
This thread is whining about the Tax Penalties under the ACA as a result of the Individual Mandate.
I pointed out the source and maintenance of the Individual Mandate.
The rest of your spiel is so riddled with catch phrases ... it's not worth my time.
Since the idea of a logical fallacy apparently escapes you ... here's the problem with what you're positing:
No one has to read all 20K pages (or whatever it's up to) in order to discuss the effects, provisions, and so FORTH of ACA (that's a basic description of the All or Nothing fallacy).
If so, you can't discuss it either. You admitted you haven't read ALL of it. Logic my friend.
Physician, heal thyself.
Bifurcation Fallacy (either-or, black or white, all or nothing fallacy)
All or Nothing Fallacy
The All or Nothing Mistake