Has the intelligence/ God/ life force ever spoke directly to you?

a reply to: vethumanbeing

You realize the lesson (or dream) is of your own creation/imagination in order to learn your soul paths direction YOU ARE CREATING in that instant moment of time?

Well, that is not proven as well. Could be that time dilates and/or there can be something akin to interference patterns with close timelines. Not a clue, really, but with unproven theories, anything is possible.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: vethumanbeing

VHB:You realize the lesson (or dream) is of your own creation/imagination in order to learn your soul paths direction YOU ARE CREATING in that instant moment of time?

charlyv:Well, that is not proven as well. Could be that time dilates and/or there can be something akin to interference patterns with close timelines. Not a clue, really, but with unproven theories, anything is possible.

What is with the whole "proven by HARD SCIENCE" thing (measuring consciousness). This is western ideology that is not PERFECT in its claims unproven. Hard science cannot explain anything regarding the metaphysical realm of understanding the EASTERN philosophy expresses; what the spirit soul is as an eternal entity it can only describe the body/material thing as ITS VESSEL that dies and becomes something else to engender a reasonable profitability for the current SYSTEM to continue (there are no guarantees here).

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: vethumanbeing

You realize the lesson (or dream) is of your own creation/imagination in order to learn your soul paths direction YOU ARE CREATING in that instant moment of time?

Well, that is not proven as well. Could be that time dilates and/or there can be something akin to interference patterns with close timelines. Not a clue, really, but with unproven theories, anything is possible.

Yes but do you understand this play time is/was engineered for you/by you for the reason you orchestrated as your soul growth fun times to exit this dimension and go on to the next one? Awareness gathering to progress your soul.

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I only submit to God when He got sick of my BS & showed me a glimpse of Hell; then made me experience its weakest form for 2 weeks until I broke spiritually.

You believed in this reality once. Just because you were shown something new and scary ("hell") doesn't mean that reality is any different.

You create your own life experience. You get to choose. God is Joy and God Creates and we are The Image and Likeness of God. We are Gods living in the human body, and Joy is our nature state of being.

Wrong. I'm not even sure how you came to this conclusion from what I posted. The very fact that I had to experience it for 2 full weeks before accepting it kind of disproves your theory. And it wasn't "hell", it was the weakest form of Hell. But I'm not going to debate my personal experiences with someone who's never even met me lol. How could either of us prove anything? So I'll just say "onto you your beliefs & onto me mine".

Though I know for a fact that God can be caring or terrifying when He chooses to be. My entire relationship with Him has been one of Lord & heathen (me); Creator & skeptic; and eventually Teacher & student. He's probably chastised me as much as He's guided me, but that's my own fault. I wasn't complaining about why I submit to Him & I've actually thanked Him for it. I was a beast that needed to be tamed. I have no problems admitting my former faults.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I'm not saying your experiences aren't real. You experienced what you experienced. I'm just saying just because you were shown something scary ("weak form of hell") that doesn't that you have to believe that is some ultimate type of reality/realm.

I believe God never abandons anyone and that everyone has come from Paradise and returns to Paradise. Obviously, you disagree. I have faith in Goodness, Mercy, Love, Joy and believe that darker things like wrath and destruction lack any power compared to the Goodness of The Spirit of God within, but we all get to choose what we will have faith in.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Awareness gathering to progress your soul.

Maybe some people's souls need to gather information on being the type of person that needs devices that measure things before they believe.

I mean, if everything is planned before coming here then, all that should have been sorted out before their current incarnation. You have no right in telling them that they are doing it wrong. According to your logic, they are doing it as planned.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: vethumanbeing

You realize the lesson (or dream) is of your own creation/imagination in order to learn your soul paths direction YOU ARE CREATING in that instant moment of time?

Well, that is not proven as well. Could be that time dilates and/or there can be something akin to interference patterns with close timelines. Not a clue, really, but with unproven theories, anything is possible.

Yes but do you understand this play time is/was engineered for you/by you for the reason you orchestrated as your soul growth fun times to exit this dimension and go on to the next one? Awareness gathering to progress your soul.

I think that science should be applied first, in any endeavor to explain something that is not totally understood.
If you can pass through that gauntlet unscathed, then there is reason to believe there is a phenomena that is not recognized, and even that in itself, does not reveal what it is. Additionally, I do believe in God, I think God is most likely in our DNA, but that is my belief. Somehow, I think if whatever God is, wanted to communicate with me, it would just say "Hey You..." without all of this mystical shell.

So, before going there, I would investigate in these scientific realms first:

-Quantum theory. We observe it , we change it. We create our own reality in this mechanism.
-Time/Space Continuum and Parallel universes. They all operate at different dimensions and frequencies. Occasionally there may be some interaction between them.

then, without results...

The spirit world. What is it? Where is it? and are we really incarnate?

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As a Christian, I call it the Holy Ghost... as I consider myself a seer as I have had prophetic dreams and point out this for the record.

““ ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:17-18‬ ‭NIV‬‬

originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: vethumanbeing

vhb: Awareness gathering to progress your soul.

daskakik: Maybe some people's souls need to gather information on being the type of person that needs devices that measure things before they believe.
I mean, if everything is planned before coming here then, all that should have been sorted out before their current incarnation. You have no right in telling them that they are doing it wrong. According to your logic, they are doing it as planned.

So some people are linear thinkers needing hard science proof of the afterlife or how a soul progresses. Everything is planned (you planned it; your OWN life course) but continue to fail in remembering your pre-incarnation PLAN. This is what it is about, remembering who and what you were before incarnating and the purpose for it. Who said I was logical?

a reply to: charlyv
Gnosticism, Eastern thought; the metaphysical study of the occult/spirit world has existed far longer than Hard/Theoretical Science. One doesn't replace the other they are the same but for some reason have been polarized as antagonists.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Everything is planned (you planned it; your OWN life course) but continue to fail in remembering your pre-incarnation PLAN.

You just don't get it. They planned on being a linear thinker and that is what they are so how is that a failure?

This is what it is about, remembering who and what you were before incarnating and the purpose for it. Who said I was logical?

You just said that the purpose is to gather data so, which is it, remembering who you were before incarnating or gathering data as this unique incarnation?

a reply to: daskakik
Why is it with your thinking everything has to be "either or"? Why in this mystery we live within can it not be both or part of each picked out that describes a better truth of the whole? Combine Eastern and Western thought and you arrive at a more accurate truth regarding our relationship with a creator (it drives a clown car as a Shriner) in local parades.

originally posted by: onequestion
What do you think, has this ever happened to you?

Not exactly, but something similar, you know those things that are astronomically improbable and appears to be sending a clear and specific message to you.

I've lost count of it.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: charlyv
Gnosticism, Eastern thought; the metaphysical study of the occult/spirit world has existed far longer than Hard/Theoretical Science. One doesn't replace the other they are the same but for some reason have been polarized as antagonists.

Yes, but science has been able to explain reality very well so far, the proof being in the technology that allows this right here to happen. Science requires proofs before acceptance, and documents how we collectively understand everything.

Should science study the claims of occult/spirit, it will always conduct it based upon what we already know, and that is constantly changing.

I'm a firm believer that whatever we experience is "real" -- after all, what is real and what isn't real? I'm just going to leave this here...

But what I've noticed is that based on quantum mechanics' need for an observer as part of any system, that's big news for our field of study because what it means is hallucinations are as real as anything else. I mean, a hallucination is not like a Chevrolet, but on the other hand a Chevrolet is not like a hallucination. Why should we demand that these things co-map over each other? A hallucination is a species of reality, as capable as teaching you as a videotape about Kilimanjaro or anything else that falls through your life. - Terence McKenna

So while your dreams may be just "dreams" to you, they are indeed very much real. We need to wake ourselves up about the experience we have here in this life. If "God" talked to you, that was indeed (to you) a real experience.

The implications of this is that every time you dream, you are having a "real" experience. We shouldn't dismiss parts of our lives because they're not shared with everyone else.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
For me MM it is a very 'real' experience (dreamtime); I realize within those travels I am NOT dreaming but experiencing something very odd in this manner: I can program or alter the circumstances within the event. I eat, drink sometimes hurt myself and have very physical contacts with others. These used to be what I thought of were 'lessons' (overcoming a fear etc); not anymore. It can be described this way; the conscious is beginning to bind or recognize the subconscious and no longer are separate states of mind. I am not as dense in the 'dream state' but still very much a physical being. The places I visit are very familiar (very futuristic) and cause me to wonder (don't laugh) if I am actually from the future. I wish T. McKenna were still alive a gift/a genius.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I go all over in my dreams...never the past though. I to go to very futuristic places, one notable one was a rocket ship grave yard. I've been to other planets where you can see strange planets in the sky with incredible buildings.

I took have varying levels of control over my dreams. I usually can steer them in whatever direction I want.