cop fatally shoots 19 year old through drivers window over some ####### weed

originally posted by: PheonixReborn
a reply to: smurfy

Let me give you and your countrymen a suggestion.

Disarm your police but have specialist armed response units available.

Have a gun amnesty where all citizens can hand in their guns and get a payment for each one.

After the amnesty period anyone spotted with a gun is "dealt with" by the armed response units.

You are probably thinking this is pie in the sky thinking... but this actually happened in the UK after Dunblane.

We can make it work, why can't you?

Mother truckers will try!!!!

Good luck disarming this country, so many Leo's would die the first day they would have to give up.

Disarm the population being shot at, Ya that worked great in all the dictatorships that slaughtered their people didn't it.

Ever notice how our government acts, I'm not gonna be at their tender mercies without the means to at least make them pay a price for my life.

Besides, how am I gonna blow stuff up with tannerite without a gun?

a reply to: johnwick

You, sir, are a prime example of what is wrong. And you can't even see it.

a reply to: johnwick

a reply to: johnwick

Is that what happened in the UK and Aussie?

Or are the dictatorships of old the only examples we are allowed to use.

Just more proof that when you choose a career in crime it`s a very hazardous occupation and being shot and killed by the police is an occupational hazard.If you can`t deal with being shot and killed by the police then choose a different career path, crime doesn`t pay.

a reply to: Tardacus

So having a bag of weed is a life of crime now? And warrants being shot and killed? I'm speechless.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

You're missing the point. No-one should be justifying any shooting.

Nobody, not the citizens, not the police, should have guns.

It works here in the UK. Why can't it work in the US?

originally posted by: PheonixReborn
a reply to: johnwick

You, sir, are a prime example of what is wrong. And you can't even see it.

You have obviously never played with tannerite, that crap is fricking awesome!!!!!

I recommend its frequent and destructive use often, at great length.

1lbs of tannerite in a minifridge... Just YA!!!!!!

Oh and guns are great, they aren't the problem.

I got my first gun on my 7th bday, I have had zero accidents, and only missed my mark on a target once.

My first deer, I got excited and didn't lead it like I was taught by my dad and grandfather.

I hit it in the pelvis, thus had to shoot again the kill it.

It was over in 20 seconds Max, I was 12, maybe 14.

These days I 1 shot them every time, I love eating what I hunt.

It is fulfilling in a way that can't explained.

You ever hunt your own food?

Lions don't want you to hand them meat, they want to earn it, not pay a guy in a slaughter house to do it for them.

That is what's wrong today, you guys are lazy, you don't fulfill your natural role, so life seems to be lacking that something, that urge that can't be described.

You were meant to earn those meals, not pay for someone else to make it easy.

Every predator mammal on earth has forward facing eyes.

Guess what, you were born to hunt, you are a lion that eats grass, you are denying your instincts.

Go hunting, eat your kill, tell me it isn't more fulfilling than buying a prime cut at the store.

It is like fishing, the fight is the best part, grab your balls, be a man, embrace your birthright, you will not regret it for even a moment.

Your argument is like saying it isn't a man's place to protect and provide for his family, and the mothers isn't nurture it.

You are denying reality.

a reply to: johnwick

In a rational society you would never be allowed to own a weapon.

originally posted by: PheonixReborn
a reply to: johnwick

In a rational society you would never be allowed to own a weapon.

so a rational society is one that tells you what you can and cant own or what you can and cant do?

Sounds like everywhere everyone has ever lived..

I would have to say its a close race between trigger-happy cops and ISIS to see who can take out the most innocents.

a reply to: Sremmos80

In Australia, it was the will of the people* in the mid 90's through to about 04 that led to actual disarmament through gun buy-back. The Port Arthur Massacre in 96' saw the beginning of disarmament and the Monash University Shhoting in Melbourne in 2002 took the community over the edge.

The Monash University shooting refers to a shooting in which a student shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five. It took place at Monash University in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on 21 October 2002. The gunman, Huan Yun Xiang, was acquitted of crimes related to the shootings due to mental impairment, and is currently under psychiatric care. Several of the people present in the room of the shootings have been commended for their bravery in tackling Xiang and ending the shooting.

Australian compulsory gun buy-back scheme 1996-03..

The will of the people* led to disarmament and new laws - big events, lots of media coverage significantly swayed in one direction and with the right government encouragement you had the perfect mix to peacefully sway the public to both hand in their guns and make some money from this tragedy at the same time - cheers guv.

*thanks largely to massive and relentless propaganda.

originally posted by: PheonixReborn
a reply to: johnwick

In a rational society you would never be allowed to own a weapon.

In a rational society, everyone would be given a weapon on their 10th bday, and then be required to use it at the minimum of 10 times a month, be it sport shooting or hunting.

BTW, everyone should have to either hunt or fish for a days food at least once a week.

It keeps things in perspective, you know, the fact that meat was alive and had to die for you and your family to eat.

You ignore this obvious fact, because you just buy meat, you don't see the animal or it's death, thus providing you and yours with life sustaining nutrition.

Try it just once, you will feel a type of gratification that can't be described.

You are cheating yourself, you are not living.

a reply to: johnwick

If owning a gun makes you feel manly I think it says a lot about you.

originally posted by: PheonixReborn
a reply to: johnwick

If owning a gun makes you feel manly I think it says a lot about you.

Lol. Really?

I don't feel "manly" because I own a gun, I feel manly by bringing in food through my labors for my family to eat.

Owning a gun really doesn't make me feel any way.

I don't feel any gratification buying a gun or ammo, I do feel it when I use it to feed them though.

Just try it one time, you will enjoy it.

Though you obviously won't want to, you will!!!

More of an illustrative point for calls of decriminalization. Speaking of decriminalization: Enough is enough, the criminals need to be removed from the system that is supported by marijuana convictions and sickening cases like this.

After the lies by police in Ohio and the video evidence exposing them, there should be a demanded release of the dash footage and other cameras during the incident.

a reply to: johnwick

The rest of us have these things called "shops."

another article with a little more info. The kid shot was not even the target of the undercover investigation, but A girl who was with him might have been, but that is unconfirmed. She was arrested and charged with possession of pot.

He wasnt even the target but they used his ass for target practice.

heir son was not the target of the marijuana bust police were attempting, but the girl who was with him may have been, they said.

Covington said he couldn’t confirm that.

Tori Dianna Morton, 23, of Pickens was in the car but uninjured in the incident, police said. She was charged with simple possession of marijuana and released Monday from the Oconee County Detention Center, according to police and jail records.

Yeah Im sure he was trying to run down that cop. He was maybe facing an arrest a plea bargain and a year of probation for a first offence of possession.


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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yet another thread that appeals to emotion before any actual facts are known.

How about we reserve judgement until the dashcam footage, or other evidence comes forward?

Settle them jerking knees, put down the torches.

I do see where you are coming from and it is a valid point. Yet, a 19 year old young man, not even in his prime, and who barely began to live his life, was gunned down-his life was taken. So yes, it does very much appeal to emotion as you suggested due to the human element involved. You may label it "knee jerk reaction" due to not seeing the human element of a father and mother having to bury their child which is one of the most painful experiences one can endure in life due to the loss of precious life. Others call it expressing empathy and compassion. Some of us FEEL and see much more deeply and intimately than others concerning matters such as these when we become aware of the loss of life whereas others are more sterile and only see events played out when presented with the same information.

Hammond’s obituary said he was a 2014 graduate of Seneca High School and loved history and riding dirt bikes. He had no criminal record.

How's that Batman movie shooter James Holmes doing these days...? How's the Church shooter Dylan Roof doing these days...? Their hearts are still beating yeah? But that kid above is dead. Do you know what a face and head ACTUALLY looks like after being shot? Think starfish....inverted. See, my friend? Some of us can "see" and have "seen" what that actually looks like and therefore when these stories present themselves there is indeed an emotional response....

How about we reserve judgement until the dashcam footage, or other evidence comes forward?

Yes, please do. Can't wait for when it comes out because then I will show you many videos of how police handle similar situations around the world without blowing the brains of a 19 year old out.

American police are very poorly trained in peaceful resolution tactics. Actually, they are very poorly trained period. It's almost Micky Mouse in a sense. Yet, there are more good cops than bad cops. It's just too bad even the good ones are not on par with the worst ones in other parts of the world. The standards are low in the States. This is why Ray Tensing who is a university campus officer was allowed to become an officer (he didn't even have to go through the academy), this is why that old rich guy in Alabama or Texas who donated money was allowed to become a cop, again, without going through the academy. He too, like Ray Tensing shot and killed someone. The rest of us sitting watching from around the world can clearly see how dysfunctional the police culture is in the States, how come you and some others cannot?

The irony is, I really do hope your comment was a knee jerk reaction, because if it wasn't, you are one those people who fail to see the human element involved and therefore lack empathy for the grieving parents, family and friends.That was somebody's son!

Are you more emotionally invested about people's judgement concerning the living officers being condemned instead of the idea of a loss of life? Is that what your post was all about...?

Based on how I know officers in Canada, Britain, Germany, and U.K (lived in all those places) deal with similar situations without blowing a hole in the middle of someone's face....I cannot wait for the details and video of this case to come out.

...put down the torches.

...but they allow us to see. They light the way for those who are blinded with personal bias... They also produce warmth in a world full of cold hearts....

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: johnwick

Is that what happened in the UK and Aussie?

Or are the dictatorships of old the only examples we are allowed to use.

How about dictatorships say.........70 years ago? You know when all those jews and gays and gypsies etc. were rounded up and slaughtered?

I wonder if they would have had a means to protect themselves if things would have been different (or at all)?

originally posted by: PheonixReborn
a reply to: johnwick

In a rational society you would never be allowed to own a weapon.

That's funny, When I say something ignorant like "People in the UK can't have guns", I am corrected that sure you can, you can have shotguns, and rifles, you just have some weird rules about having them.

You should really try to learn a bit about your country before you try to fix everyone else.