Channel Tunnel: '2,000 migrants' tried to enter

a reply to: ForteanOrg

You can't tell us sitting there in Holland the other side of the sea that our country isn't full You seriously must be trying to become a comedian or something? How can you tell another country they aren't full and need to take in loads of uninvited immigrants? It's hilarious. Nobody can tell us how to live our lives and how we want to see our country develop. My best advice to you is move to Brussels...... You'd love it there

I think it's our job, or the job of our presidents, to welcome these people in our countries, in our homes if it's necessary. I mean look at the our great saviour America, when it's Afganistan or Iran, they will come the next day to "help" us, but when these people really need their help..

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ForteanOrgYou can't tell us sitting there in Holland the other side of the sea that our country isn't full

Well, I did nevertheless!

You seriously must be trying to become a comedian or something? How can you tell another country they aren't full and need to take in loads of uninvited immigrants?

Oh, that's very simple. I'll show you once more: "Your country is not full." See how easy that was?

It's hilarious. Nobody can tell us how to live our lives and how we want to see our country develop. My best advice to you is move to Brussels...... You'd love it there

Well, I'm not very much in favour of overly centralised management. I'm more in favour of spherical democracy. In such systems you don't have the notion of 'states' - you have citizenspheres. Imagine a sphere around each citizen: what happens in that sphere is dictated by him and others that share his sphere. In the center of the sphere a citizens influence is huge but it rapidly diminishes towards the edge of the sphere. All citizens have spheres that span the entire earth. Such systems were infeasible until recently - we now have the communication means and computing power to actually implement such systems. But I digress.

With regard to your statement that nobody can tell you etc. - that's rabiate nonsense. You are constantly being told how to live your life. Actually, you're defending just that! As a Brit you've been told what to say, what to do and how to do it. That is what makes you a Brit. Same goes for any other country: you are born there by coincidence and from day one you are taught how to speak, what to say, how to dress, how to behave, what to eat, what values to defend. You are no more free to live your life than the Muslim boy from Libya or the citizen of North Korea, the Cuban or the Dutch, for that matter.

I deeply respect these migrants. They either were forced out their countries by our intervention or choose to come here voluntarily. In the first case we are obliged to help them, as the poor suckers did not ask us to bombard their cities, chase away their leaders and bring instability to their regions. In the second case, YOU and your fellow Brits should be happy to welcome people that VOLUNTARILY (not by birth) choose to be UK citizens.

About culture: I like the European / American notion of the big ol' melting pot. I am Dutch, but not particularly proud of it. That would be just as stupid of being proud of the colour of your skin, hair - you were born that way. But I do like a number of things from the Dutch culture. But also from many other cultures, including what I see as "the British culture" (which is very similar to other European cultures, btw).

Had I a say in it, my passport would not state a nationality. It would simply state my name and place of birth. We are all people, for now mostly living on the very same globe floating in space.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

I'm quite amused by you ForteanOrg and your advice that we in Britain take in an invasion of uninvited migrants. A person in Holland insisting we Brits lower our defences and take in loads of people who are trying to break into our island using knives and claw hammers. It's a crazy idea. It is insane.

No continental European is ever going to tell us Brits how to live our lives. Not Napoleon, not Adolf, not ForteanOrg. We can decide for ourselves how many people and from where we want to take in. But these animals trying to knife their way into trucks and threatening British lorry drivers are not wanted here at all. Nobody wants them, the amount of people commenting on this over the last weeks, all have said no way are they welcome here.

We certainly are full if we are to maintain our green area, we don't want to become like you lot in Holland with Randstadt bloc, blimey that is one concrete jungle that is like living in a prison. Thanks for the offer of all these no hopers, we'll let you take them and fill your Randstadt a bit more then you can reclaim some more sea as you are going to need it with all the afros and asians on their way to live with you Get some tulips and some Amstel beer ready for their welcome.

Life is good here in the UK. We have a pretty good economy, a decent currency (not dictated to by the Germans), plently of contryside. Still a British culture - once you get out of the inner cities that is, where real ale is poured and beef dinners are served and farmers tend their flocks and herds. We are staying this way, thank the Lord for the Channel

You ideas are all very nice and cosy. For sure, I actually agree with you on your dream of a Planet Earth with no borders, it is a real positive idea and I often think the same. We are all humanity and who should own this or who should be here or there. But a bit like Socialism, which is also a dream of mine, we, as humans, are not advanced enough for it........... yet. We need barriers to keep things working, to kep things safe. If we look at ourselves ForteanOrg, do we let our borders down? Do we in our tiny environment let our barriers down. Do we sleep with our doors open ForteanOrg? Do you ForteanOrg leave the door to your living quarters open all the time for ANYBODY to walk in to and do as they want? Do you let anybody drift into your house? Or does your door have a lock on it?

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Do you ForteanOrg leave the door to your living quarters open all the time for ANYBODY to walk in to and do as they want? Do you let anybody drift into your house? Or does your door have a lock on it?

Well, when I'm home my doors are always open. Only if I'm not at home do I lock my doors. Now, do you suggest that all Brits leave England so you have a reason to lock your borders?

Since we both think we're right and neither of us is willing to change his opinion, I agree to disagree

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Do you ForteanOrg leave the door to your living quarters open all the time for ANYBODY to walk in to and do as they want? Do you let anybody drift into your house? Or does your door have a lock on it?

Well, when I'm home my doors are always open. Only if I'm not at home do I lock my doors. Now, do you suggest that all Brits leave England so you have a reason to lock your borders?

Since we both think we're right and neither of us is willing to change his opinion, I agree to disagree

So you DO lock your doors. Strange coming from someone who wants to open their door to all. Why do you lock the doors?

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter Why do you lock the doors?

Because I'm not at home. When at home I do NOT lock my doors. Last time I checked, England was still full of people

I will not respond any more now. We simply need to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Come on you make no sense here. You are giving different answers to the same question. ForteanOrg you want an OPEN DOOR policy taking in loads more uninvited migrants with all borders eliminated.

Why do you continue to lock your door?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: grainofsand

They choose not to claim asylum in France. They choose to live in a shanty camp while they plot their attempts to enter the UK illegally.
It is the problem of France. All the UK has to do is lawfully defend its border.

So what your basically saying is that these desperate people should either risk being drowned in the sea, or just be Frances problem to deal with?

England have no obligation to accept any asylum seeker who wasn't prepared to risk being drowned by taking the long route?

Still banging the "desperate people" drum, are we?

Not that desperate though as they've trudged through half of Europe, the most developed and socially advanced continent on the planet. If I was "desperate", I'd be happy to be in Bulgaria, much less France or the UK!

And that's ignoring the fact the bulk are from Africa or the Indian subcontinent. Very few are genuine refugees.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ForteanOrg

Come on you make no sense here. You are giving different answers to the same question. ForteanOrg you want an OPEN DOOR policy taking in loads more uninvited migrants with all borders eliminated.

Why do you continue to lock your door?

I'm living in a traditional rough white trash town that's currently (apparently) being totally consumed by both meth heads and Afgani refugee's.

But I don't ever lock my back door... ever. Nor do I ever think twice about going out for late night walks.

Never had any issues from anybody... But witnessed a few teenage Aussies dropping a pipe bomb in the backyard of some Afgani's one night!

So who's the dangerous psychopathic morons again? Us white people, or these so called immigrants?

Anyway.....

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Really? Not over here. Much of the drugs trade is controlled by asians. Prostitution gangs rape in all our our cities to create prostitutes, two thousand plus gang raped by Asian gangs alone in Rotherham, a small city, thousands elsewhere. Boms blow up our buses and underground, dozens of evil plots are thwarted every years. Let more in? Thanks...............................But no thanks.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Really? Not over here. Much of the drugs trade is controlled by asians.

Yeah, but on the plus side, those Vietnamese dudes grow some incredibly good weed, it all equals out in the end... lol.

Prostitution gangs rape in all our our cities to create prostitutes, two thousand plus gang raped by Asian gangs alone in Rotherham, a small city, thousands elsewhere.

Don't get fooled by the MSM mate. Us white people do our fair share of raping and exploitation of young women as well. It's a humanity problem, not a race problem.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Don't get fooled by the MSM mate. Us white people do our fair share of raping and exploitation of young women as well. It's a humanity problem, not a race problem.

I don't get fooled by them. Of course it happens with all groups but Pakistanis are in the news all the time for organised sex abuse. You don't live in the UK. We do have a problem with migrants grroming young girls for the sex trade. It is serious and happens in most cities. The rapists are usually Muslims, specifically Pakistani. Then again my work colleagues daughter had this happen to her being hospitalised and they were Kosovans, but still muslims.

Can you imagine what it must be like to leave your home and emigrate to unknown countries? Scary stuff!

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