3rd Shock Video Catches Planned Parenthood V.P. Selling Body Parts of Aborted Babies

a reply to: windword



Except an non profit cannot break state or federal law in order to fund itself.
While selling of lightly used cloths and stuffs is not illegal, the selling if fetal tissue is.

If you are saying that selling fetal tissue is ok as long as the funds are used to support PP, then it should also be ok for them sell coc aine, no?

a reply to: IAMTAT

You know something. If you are SOOOO convinced that there is some criminality going on, then have them federally investigated. That'll put an end to this discussion about if they broke any laws. Why aren't you demanding such things happen, instead opting to post stupid video after stupid video that aren't and can't be used as proof of anything in a legal context?

Oh but then, when nothing damning turns up, you'll probably just say that there was some conspiracy to cover it up because of the nwo or something like that right?

originally posted by: Metallicus
Heff, why doesn't PP stop the abortions and just provide the other services that aren't controversial?

It doesn't matter if it's controversial. Are they supposed to stop providing legal reproductive health care to women just because a few scam artists are trying to take them down? Should they submit to political pressure and rotten tactics, just because someone is "offended" by the service they provide?

If a company only derives 3% of their profit from poisoning the environment then we are supposed to say nothing?

Poisoning the environment hurts everyone. Abortion does not.

These people need to leave abortions to someone else if they want to be free from criticism.

You think if PP stopped doing abortions, the religious far right would stop their war against women's right to their own body?? They're trying to take down abortion clinics wherever they are and have been for many years, including killing abortion doctors... They're not going to let up on women's rights until they have exactly what they want. Forget about women and what they want.

Your graph is irrelevant.

Of course it is. It doesn't fit your agenda. It doesn't make sense to want to defund PP when they clearly do SO MUCH GOOD for women's health care. The graph is absolutely relevant. It's the truth. It's just hard for some to see.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IAMTAT

You know something. If you are SOOOO convinced that there is some criminality going on, then have them federally investigated. Oh but then, when nothing damning turns up, you'll probably just say that there was some conspiracy to cover it up because of the nwo or something like that right?

Sounds to me like you've already made up your mind. In your words, "Oh but then, when nothing damning turns up" not ' if nothing damning turns up".

I for one would appreciate an investigation. Whether I believe that the results are skewed is my business. A thorough, in-depth investigation, with published content and conclusions, might just shed light on the truth of this matter.

Why should anyone be against a federal investigation, except in fear that the results may prove distasteful.

a reply to: Ultralight

so, what do you suggest as a solution? because, well, shutting down planned parenthood isn't it, doing that will just cause more problems! outlaw abortions?? lol...then you WILL have a real black market in fetal tissue that IS for profit and well, to be blunt without any regulations! shut down the research? okay, but well you might be discarding some amazing discoveries and future cures.
maybe the government can set up another agency, it can open up fetal tissue collection units within abortion clinics and well, the clinics can be obligated to deliver their tissues to them for processing or have personal in the clinics to take over and do the processing in the clinic. and well the gov't can distibute them to the clinics and be the ones charging the processing fees.

which solution to find more to your liking?

originally posted by: palg1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: IAMTAT

You know something. If you are SOOOO convinced that there is some criminality going on, then have them federally investigated. Oh but then, when nothing damning turns up, you'll probably just say that there was some conspiracy to cover it up because of the nwo or something like that right?

Sounds to me like you've already made up your mind. In your words, "Oh but then, when nothing damning turns up" not ' if nothing damning turns up".

You are right, my mind IS made up already, but I'm not the one who is shying away from an official investigation am I? I'm willing to put MY beliefs to the test.

I for one would appreciate an investigation. Whether I believe that the results are skewed is my business. A thorough, in-depth investigation, with published content and conclusions, might just shed light on the truth of this matter.

Right. I have no problems having one of these conducted.

Why should anyone be against a federal investigation, except in fear that the results may prove distasteful.

Now you're getting the picture.

a reply to: dawnstar

I'm guessing you are under 30 and feel that PP does more good than harm. If I am wrong in this guess, apologies.

What you basically said is: you gotta overlook the atrocities of PP because of risk of these terminations will go underground, so we might as well turn a blinds eye on the horror in effort to keep these horrific terminations out of the dark. But they were doing this all along in the dark and under our very noses, all along.

No. Women can get the care they need without the organization continuing the murder-for profit activities.

PP can, and must, be defunded for that part of their services.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It wouldn't on the moral sense, but at least we wouldn't be paying for it anymore.

You are not paying for it. Planned parenthood CANNOT use ANY tax-payer money for abortion.

But Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for abortions anyway. According to the Department of Health and Human Service’s website, "by law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning." Medicaid funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother.
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The federal budget deal now bans Washington, D.C., from using its funds to pay for abortions.

If the only argument you have is that you're paying for it, you're absolutely wrong.

Factcheck

a reply to: palg1

No, it hasn't been illegal since 2009. It's your semantics that you're tripping over.

It may disgust you, but PP is operating legal exchanges of fetal tissue, until a court of law rules otherwise. You are, however, welcome to your opinion and your disgust. It's understandable.

If birth control and the abortion pill were available over the counter a woman wouldn't need a place like PP. Until these steps are accomplished we do still need places like PP. Simply defunding this nonprofit does nothing to help the people that rely on this company specifically for their sexual health.

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
If birth control and the abortion pill were available over the counter a woman wouldn't need a place like PP. Until these steps are accomplished we do still need places like PP.

That isn't exactly true. PP also provides services for pap tests, STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, breast exams, and so on. Contraceptive care is a large part of their business, but they provide health care for women.

Simply defunding this nonprofit does nothing to help the people that rely on this company specifically for their sexual health.

Absolutely. And the government funding CANNOT go toward abortion, by law, so people who say they're "paying for abortions" are just ignorant of the laws.

a reply to: palg1

There was an investigation conducted in, I believe, 2000 and no wrong doing was ever found.

We've been down this road before.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Exctly. Though this might help explain why this red herring keeps making it into the mix (posted in another thread as well).

Fox's Attempt To Smear Planned Parenthood With "Taxpayer Calculator" Doesn't Add Up

Finally, Fox's investigation of Planned Parenthood's revenue and the American taxpayer's contribution to that revenue provides no useful context for the viewer. In 2014, the federal government spent nearly 900 times more than Planned Parenthood collected from all government sources in 10 years; the $4.3 billion price tag Fox highlighted represents a miniscule portion of total government spending over the same period. Likewise, the 10-year burden shouldered by Fox's "average taxpayer" represents a tiny fraction of their total income over that period. According to Fox News, a taxpayer with earnings in excess of $2.5 million over a decade would contribute only about $40 annually. Meanwhile, the average taxpayer, with a median household income of roughly $52,000 per year, would contribute only about $1.50 per year to Planned Parenthood, according to Fox's own calculations.

And that $1.50? It's for ALL their services, of which abortion, IF they even in their imagination include it, at the higher of the 3%-5% estimates, comes out to .075 cents. Not even a penny.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

But Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for abortions anyway. According to the Department of Health and Human Service’s website, "by law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning." Medicaid funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother.
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The federal budget deal now bans Washington, D.C., from using its funds to pay for abortions.

Does anybody actually *Believe* they don't !!

There are "ways" around the "Laws".

Corruption always has a way.

a reply to: Ultralight
I am over 50 and quite frankly overly cynic! And, well planned parenthood was there for me for two of my pregancies, they couldn't deliver the babies but they did help with many other issue involving prenatal care.
but the way I see it, the medical research probably offers a pretty promising return in profits and well, for even the most conservative of the republican party, big business and high yields will trump morality anyways. And, I also know that planned parenthood has already been investigated for this around the year 2000 or so by congress and nothing was done. so, well, this is probably why the republicans in congress is trying to push a law defunding planned parenthood through so quickly, so that there won't be an investigation needed and the accusations won't be found as being false, or at least legal...

I also think that planned parenthood isn't the only place that is providing fetal tissue and well, to be blunt the other sources aren't operating under as much scrutiny as planned parenthood has been under the past few decades. so, I got a feeling that if the other's were looked into, you might find that you are even more appalled at what is going on.

there are no federal money going into planned parenthood that is being used for abortions, or fetal tissue collection. that would be against the law. they are calling for the defunding of planned parenthood.....all the services obviously!! and well, I am living proof that women cannot get the care they need in this society, not even with broken bones! Most can some can't. That makes me kind of irrational when they start talking about defunding the few things that would have helped me if I needed it even when I fell through the cracks of all the social safety nets.

so, well, which option would you prefer???

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
If birth control and the abortion pill were available over the counter a woman wouldn't need a place like PP. Until these steps are accomplished we do still need places like PP. Simply defunding this nonprofit does nothing to help the people that rely on this company specifically for their sexual health.

and surprise, surprise..... no need for organizations like the little sisters to cry because they have to fill out a form to be exempt from the birth control mandate...
because, it would no longer be a prescription.
besides, the pill could become quite dangerous if some of the other screening that is done was ignored.

a reply to: xuenchen

yes, just like does anybody not believe that doctors who proclaim that a 10 year old giving birth to twins is dangerous to the kids health aren't lying???
what the heck, everyone's lying!!! let's do nothing!! it's all a lie!

a reply to: Ultralight

I am a strong PP supporter and completely agree with this statement. Regardless of where the funds come from or whether what they're doing is strictly legal, there is an undeniable conflict of interest if in performing these abortions they are profiting by selling the tissue.

They need to shut down this filth and lunatic nonsense and end Planned Nazihood.That is some of the sickest garbage i have ever seen in my entire life.
How self centered humans have become to destroy a life to save their own life.Kill other humans beings are are growing in the stomach to make research to help yourself is sick selfish behavoir.
Whats makes it worse the fetus which will become a human being has no way to protect itself and fight back.This is as evil as Nazism and they pretend like it is not.This is WW3,4,5,6,7,8,9 all combined to act this selfish and pretend like you are not murdering human beings.

a reply to: xuenchen

Right, we deal in belief not facts these days I America.

I couldn't have summarized the real problem any better myself!