Outcome of 2016 Election

Going to state it now, then come back later, and see if it was right.

Hillary Clinton wins, with Julian Castro as her running mate.

Defeating the Bush/Rubio ticket.

After not getting the GOP nod, Trump goes Independent, siphoning votes from Bush.


Not how I "want" it to go, but just how I see it happening.

I highly doubt they would choose Castro to run with her as his mother had ties to La Raza Unida, and too many people are so uninformed they believe La Raza is a terrorist organization.

Also, I would hope the GOP wouldn't be dumb enough to pick Rubio as VP.

a reply to: Gazrok

I think you are spot on. Hillary will run on a "transparent government" idea, while liberally applying Teflon to her scales.
I think Icke might be right on her being reptilian.

ETA: and for the kicker, Bush will run and win in 2020. After all, fair is fair.

a reply to: network dude

Hillary might need some serious resurrection to pull that off. If Trump ran independent at this point, I'd see him siphoning votes from both parties more than just from the Reps. I think it more likely right now that Trump winds up bowing out or getting torpedoed. Unless something major changes, he's too much of a disruptive influence to both parties who didn't count on anti-establishment mentality on both sides of the aisle.

Now if Bernie wins, I think he's a wet dream to the left's true believers, but he might be too much of good thing for the rest of the country. Bernie might be the left's Goldwater Moment.

And that puts a Republican in the Whitehouse. I don't think it will be Bush, but Bush might be Veep or set up to win in 2020 when people start to get upset with Republicans again. He'll be seen as the "moderate" choice.

Or there's always the real left field ... Bush/Clinton, Clinton/Bush.

a reply to: Gazrok

If you mean they worked this out ahead of time, I agree.

I think Hilary wins because a deal was worked out at the 2008 Bilderberger meeting where she and Barack attended. The only thing left to do is convince the American people that they voted for her.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
I think Hilary wins because a deal was worked out at the 2008 Bilderberger meeting where she and Barack attended. The only thing left to do is convince the American people that they voted for her.

That's the real trick, isn't it? Because right now, the American people don't want her.

a reply to: ketsuko

Don't think it matters. Either way the financial backers will reap large rewards from their person. The party supporters will get thrown a few bones. Both sides will keep crying at the other side. Nothing that truely helps will get done. Rinse, cycle, repeat.

John Kerry and Sherrod Brown. You read it here first.

Kerry could become a groundswell nominee (either at or before the convention) if Hillary falters, especially if the Republicans nominate Bush, which they seem gung-ho to do at the moneyed level. Kerry could beat Jeb Bush on an almost-but-not-quite rerun of 2004 alone (my brother's beekeeper), let alone his accomplishments since then. As for being bushwhacked with another Swiftboat false ad campaign, Kerry can't be fooled again).

originally posted by: ketsuko
If Trump ran independent at this point, I'd see him siphoning votes from both parties more than just from the Reps.

The one thing you can count on, is that the democratic Party is not fractured like the GOP. They will vote for whoever wins the Democrat primary. Trump may siphon swing voters, but not very many. He's way too hardcore for people seeking middle of the road candidates and compromise rather than division.

originally posted by: Gazrok
Going to state it now, then come back later, and see if it was right.

Hillary Clinton wins, with Julian Castro as her running mate.

Defeating the Bush/Rubio ticket.

After not getting the GOP nod, Trump goes Independent, siphoning votes from Bush.


Not how I "want" it to go, but just how I see it happening.

It really doesn't matter, but your guess is probably right. We always however, end up with the same criminal overlords.

Cheers - Dave

I see a Clinton/Sanders or a Sanders/Clinton ticket I don't see any combo of Republicans having any chance against them.

I have a nice wager ready and waiting.....with some very favorable odds. Who's interested?

Bush has been selected; who cares who his running mate is....the ritual is near completion. It's an established pattern; you haven't noticed?

The neocon war machine is cranking up for the big one...

“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.” ― Mark Twain.

Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong and lose this bet!!!

God I'm glad I don't have any children!!!

I say we all throw whatever money anybody was going to donate to any of these campaigns, have the worlds biggest toilet bowl built and flush all these "candidates" right on down, cause all I see is S#it.

a reply to: Gazrok

Bush wins.

I was really hoping Trump was serious this time around.

After some serious looking into things this week I have to say this:

He will run Independent
He'll run a "bumper sticker" campaign to siphon 20% of the Repub vote
He'll do everything he can to push every middle ground voter away from the Repubs before he declares the split
He'll continue to hit hard against the Repubs throughout the election cycle and softball Clinton
The Clinton Foundation will reimburse him for his loses with backroom deals after the election

Trumps only function is to usher Clinton into the White House (by whatever means required)

Perot/Trump the Clinton's don't care as long as they get the Big Seat.

Hillary 2016 is the winning ticket and we are all doomed

originally posted by: Gazrok
Going to state it now, then come back later, and see if it was right.

Hillary Clinton wins, with Julian Castro as her running mate.

Defeating the Bush/Rubio ticket.

After not getting the GOP nod, Trump goes Independent, siphoning votes from Bush.


Not how I "want" it to go, but just how I see it happening.

So, in other words, "doom porn".

a reply to: Gazrok

Hmmmmm, interesting. Now who the hell is Julian Castro? I never heard of him.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
I see a Clinton/Sanders or a Sanders/Clinton ticket I don't see any combo of Republicans having any chance against them.

Actually, I see just about "anybody" beating that.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: LDragonFire
I see a Clinton/Sanders or a Sanders/Clinton ticket I don't see any combo of Republicans having any chance against them.

Actually, I see just about "anybody" beating that.

Of course you would.

Have you seen Clinton "perform" in front of congressional Hearings? Did they destroy her or did she gain from all these investigations? I'm not a Clinton support at all, but she handles herself more than well against the rights constant attacks, and the women of the US are going to vote for her pretty much sums up the winner of the next election. Sanders is polling well with men, combine the two with actual ideas to make things better compared to the republicans and its easy to see who will win.