Stopped by a cop? Act like an ass. After all, it's your "right".

One should always be polite to other people.

I see it as a problem with society as a whole, not just cops, not just the people.

People can be very rude to others, I know I've worked in customer service before.

I've dealt with nice cops who were fair and good with the way they treated me on a couple of traffic stops. One for a month old expired plates, and another for just passing a light as it turned from yellow to red. They were both polite.

On the second one I took my seat belt off as I waited for the cop. When he was giving me my ticket he told me he was going to have to add a seat belt infraction. I mentioned that I was wearing my seat belt but took it off when I stopped the car. And he looked at me and then nodded his head, and decided to believe me. Very polite and nice of him.

Then I got some neighbors calling the cops on me once because I had the volume way op on my new sound system watching Star Wars with my kids.

The one cop came baring into my home with a huge attitude threatening me and treating me very rudely, and I as usual was polite back and just thinking to myself that she was on some type of power trip.

The other cop knew me and calmed her down and told her to leave me alone. Said, "these guys are nice folks." And then noticed my box still sitting there my sound system came from, and added 2 and 2 and asked, "you just got this sound system right? You've never had any problems before with sound before." Then suggested I lower the bass or lift the subwoofer off the floor. Said goodnight and left with the other cop still trying to give me an attitude.

There are people who give cops attitudes, and there are cops who give people attitudes.

It is because we live in a far more spiteful, and arrogant society, where people look out, a lot of times, only for their own needs and wants.

Hey, just drive down a busy highway and watch how people behave as they drive.

It is a cancer in society the attitude of today's society. And yes, it has affected the police.

But it is a symptom of a sick society as a whole, not just a corrupt police system. The police are hired from within society. And this is what it has to offer. And it is not going to get better.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: johnwick
He needs shot dead on the spot.

Great attitude. He isn't a real person, so killing him is totally an option.

The only thing he had to was his job, and not violate my rites, that is obviously asking too much though right?

a reply to: johnwick

You had a bad experience. I am sorry to hear that. I hope you have better experiences in the future. Not everyone is like what you encountered. Good people still exist.

a reply to: network dude

Actually, yes, not terribly long ago. Pulling into Wal Mart. A fat little Mexican prick of a cop stopped me and asked for my id

I'm going to stop YOU right there...

The fact that within your mind this is how you identified him is absurd. Most people will just see a cop....end of story. But I'm not here to pick away at your thought process....despite the fact I'm very tempted to do so.

But, after that incident, I didn't decide that all Mexicans were pricks, all cops were bad, or all short fat people were condescending. I fixed my issues, got my truck, paid my fines, and went on with my life. My mental scars are deep, but I get by. One day at a time

That's good, I respect that. It seems to be the decent and obvious thing to do. Unfortunately there are cops and people out their that do paint all Mexican and Black people with the same brush. There are some right here on ATS.

I gave him my licence, insurance and registration. Turns out my license was expired. My tags were a month out, and he claimed I didn't have insurance. It was Saturday, so it's not like I could call my agent. I was in the wrong, but was very polite. He was a condescending little prick and had my truck towed to impound. Oh, when I parked, he pulled up to the truck and sat there at first. I walked past him, said hello, and went inside. He had me paged back to my truck.

If you truly take responsibility for being in the wrong how can one feel this way from that incident?

My mental scars are deep, but I get by.

Listen, we all deal with people with attitudes in our lives. Deep scars should not arise from trivial matters....especially when we are in the wrong and taking responsibility for our own actions as adults.

I fixed my issues, got my truck, paid my fines, and went on with my life.

That is because you were not violently arrested and unfairly incarcerated with a $500 000 bond on your head for such a trivial offence.

Again: There are MANY events (unfair routine stops - harassment) like the Sandra Bland case taking place on a daily basis in the states. Many people getting STIFFED by police that we will never hear about because they do not end up
DEAD.

Again: There are many people who are polite and still get put through the ringer by police. Why is that...?

You see my friend, here in Canada we have more good police than bad police, same for the U.K, Germany, and the Netherlands (I mention these places because I lived there for a few months on more than one occasion) and this why there isn't an issue of policing in these nations because the good cops in these nations have integrity and keep the bad ones in check by removing them from the system. Also, the police in these nations have post secondary degrees and diplomas (they are educated) and are paid $100 000 + salary/yr. Nobody wants to lose a job that pays that well that has one of the highest pension packages. Btw, that is just what an everyday Toronto constable earns, never mind Sergeants and detectives and those who have been on the force for more than five years. Most police in the States are not formally educated and their salaries reflect that -- you get what you pay for. The requirements in becoming a police officer in the States needs to change. Higher standards must be put in place.

You mentioned you have friends who are police. I KNOW that most American police are not formally educated and this is part of the problem. What you have in the States are police officers who grew up playing "Mortal Combat" and "Halo" who lack "emotional I.Q" performing a job that requires the utmost mental and emotional discipline. Shucks, a rich guy can automatically "play cop" in the States if he donates a few dollars or resources. I forget the term for that over there but it is very unique to the States.

However, those who are indeed educated in the States go onto being detectives or work for the various alphabet agencies.

My mental scars are deep, but I get by. One day at a time

It is one thing to "get by" and very admirable from a personal perspective, after all, what choice does one have...? However, empathy and compassion is entirely different and even more admirable since it the polar opposite of being self centred. In other words; there are people who are NOT in the wrong (as you admitted to being) and still get treated by police the way you were treated....

Btw, I always say these words to officers after they write me speeding tickets (I have thing for fast cars and winding country roads): "Have a safe shift officer!"

...and I mean it from the bottom of my heart. The reaction is usually the same; they do a second glance and kindly say things like; "Thank you, buddy!" Some even reach out their hand to shake mine. Some have even popped their head back into my window and said; "Take it to court and fight it; I won't show up". All from a kind and honest comment.

...but that is Kanuck cops; they are MAD COOL here!

a reply to: JackReyes

The one cop came baring into my home...

Did you invite her in? Was wondering if loud music allowed them to enter with a warrant or your permission. I guessing loud music is a crime in your location.

originally posted by: network dude
I keep seeing this type of attitude displayed. "I have the right to act anyway I want!!"
And amazingly enough, when you act like an ass to a cop, .......he becomes a dick. Just....like.....magic.


Forget all about how many bad cop stories you read today.
Forget all about how mean that last cop you dealt with was.
Forget all about how irritating it is to be stopped and have your precious time wasted.

Imagine for one second, you are that cop. (just pretend for the sake of discussion) If the person you stopped was nice, polite, and non threatening, would it make things easier? Would it make you relax just a bit? Would you prefer to deal with nice people, or assholes?

Now, Imagine again that you are that cop, but this time, the guy you stopped has a major attitude, and tries to tell you all about how he pays your salary and has the right not to answer your questions. Would you be nice to this guy? Give him a break? Enjoy his company? Not feel threatened?

The world is filled with choices. And (incredibly enough) those choices have repercussions. You are free to chose how you want to approach any situation, and you are free to act like an ass. But remember, that cop is just as human as you, and has the same freedom of choice in how he deals with you.

Treat humans like human
s, respect others to get respect, and be nice whenever possible. It really does work.


Our police officers are supposed to diffuse, or TRAINED to diffuse situations.

I watched the video 3 times of the RACIST police officer PROVOKING the incident. I listened to a black radion station where the incident was broken down by those in the know.

Again, the incident between a white police officer and a black woman was provoked by the policeman, pure and simple.

These white cops on blacks have happened all over over nation. Unarmed black men have been shot and killed for no good reason.

And if you believe Sandra Blank killed herself you are in the state of DENIAL!

There are about 22 KKK chapters in Texas, and the Dallas police dept has KKK members.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

originally posted by: JackReyes
One should always be polite to other people.

I see it as a problem with society as a whole, not just cops, not just the people.

People can be very rude to others, I know I've worked in customer service before.

I've dealt with nice cops who were fair and good with the way they treated me on a couple of traffic stops. One for a month old expired plates, and another for just passing a light as it turned from yellow to red. They were both polite.

On the second one I took my seat belt off as I waited for the cop. When he was giving me my ticket he told me he was going to have to add a seat belt infraction. I mentioned that I was wearing my seat belt but took it off when I stopped the car. And he looked at me and then nodded his head, and decided to believe me. Very polite and nice of him.

Then I got some neighbors calling the cops on me once because I had the volume way op on my new sound system watching Star Wars with my kids.

The one cop came baring into my home with a huge attitude threatening me and treating me very rudely, and I as usual was polite back and just thinking to myself that she was on some type of power trip.

The other cop knew me and calmed her down and told her to leave me alone. Said, "these guys are nice folks." And then noticed my box still sitting there my sound system came from, and added 2 and 2 and asked, "you just got this sound system right? You've never had any problems before with sound before." Then suggested I lower the bass or lift the subwoofer off the floor. Said goodnight and left with the other cop still trying to give me an attitude.

There are people who give cops attitudes, and there are cops who give people attitudes.

It is because we live in a far more spiteful, and arrogant society, where people look out, a lot of times, only for their own needs and wants.

Hey, just drive down a busy highway and watch how people behave as they drive.

It is a cancer in society the attitude of today's society. And yes, it has affected the police.

But it is a symptom of a sick society as a whole, not just a corrupt police system. The police are hired from within society. And this is what it has to offer. And it is not going to get better.

Most policare good at their jobs. They risk their lives for us.

But with the black community, the blacks see the cops as very dangerous. They are immediately afraid with an encounter with the police, and some will flee. Should a cop shoot a black youth fleeing over marijuana? Its happened here in Dallas. In Dallas, 70 unarmed blacks and hispanic men have been killed by the police in the last 12 years!

Texas is a bad example of our police as it is a very racist state on both sides of the fence.

originally posted by: mymojo
Our police officers are supposed to diffuse, or TRAINED to diffuse situations.

I watched the video 3 times of the RACIST police officer PROVOKING the incident. I listened to a black radion station where the incident was broken down by those in the know.

Again, the incident between a white police officer and a black woman was provoked by the policeman, pure and simple.

These white cops on blacks have happened all over over nation. Unarmed black men have been shot and killed for no good reason.

And if you believe Sandra Blank killed herself you are in the state of DENIAL!

There are about 22 KKK chapters in Texas, and the Dallas police dept has KKK members.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Dude, I never offered an opinion on Sandra Blank. I asked that people try to be more polite. I tried to remind everyone that cops are real people with families, and pets, and all the things you love.

You seem to be getting pulled in with all the news and propaganda. Are you loading up for the race war? LOL, it's coming!!!

Step away from the idiot box for a few minutes, and look at this from the human side. I refuse to be played.

a reply to: network dude

The disconnect is when youve been stopped over and over . Ive been stopped in my lifetime maybe 50 times. Out of that I received 2 speeding tickets and went to jail for suspended license. So what about all those other times. Last time I was pulled over guns were drawn and I had my 5 year old daughter in the car. Of course the same old story , I looked like the suspects. People are fed up and all these folks that dont understand or get it are nowhere to be found so why have an opinion now

a reply to: network dude

Im Finally glad to see somebody come to the same conclusion i have been saying since this whole
"bad cop" frenzy began. unfortunately, the people you see being mistreated or younger folk for the most part. they have bad attitudes toward cops because of all the media hype now a days of cops killing civilians. I guess the sheeple have to follow whatever is trending, so lets be dicks to cops thinking we know the "law" better…..compliancy within the means gets you a lot further and much less of a hassle…lets use our best judgment.

a reply to: network dude

The problem is that when someone gets pulled over they have rights that need to be protecting. If the cop is pushing those boundaries, do you think it is easy being polite?

A lot of times being polite to cops means throwing your rights away. For example, if a cop says "Can I come in?" At your doorstep, you should have the right to say no and the cop should be able to handle that. This may not be polite, but it is advised.

You dont have to be polite to anyone this is America, you dont have to pretend to like someone you dont nor do you have to put up with being dehumanized.

Give up your freedoms and youll start seeing that your going to be loosing more and more of our ability to question authority.

Sure cops can bend the law and imprison or kill you, but they are wrong for it, never let anyone intimidate you into submission. Resist the loss of our freedoms or dont be suprised when they make some new laws that deny you any freedoms in the times to come.

I think a time is comming where there is no more illusion of having rights, just the right to do what your told or go to jail.

Smoking a cigeratte go to jail and $5000 fine with an option of execution.

a reply to: network dude
What about the people who aren't in the mental capacity to respond "properly" to an LEO. Like say, the mentally challenged. Because I have seen how that plays out. The guy died and the grand jury found the officer in full compliance with the law. I know different since I was actually there. Cover up from the coroner to the grand jury. Sickening.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: MystikMushroom

LOL, I am not talking about kissing his ass, or licking his boots. I am talking about treating him like he is human. Treating him like you would prefer to be treated. Nothing more. Just be respectful. He may have had a really bad day, and if you acted like a twat, he might snap and be the next guy on the top thread. But.... if you were nice, he might just relax for a second and de-escalate his own anger. (remember, cops aren't machines, they are you, me, or that guy over there)

I seriously don't' get why this is a hard thing to understand.

So, I took a criminal justice class some years ago and it was taught by the Rocklin police chief. His answer to people acting rude was this. "You, as an officer, take it. There is nothing you can do but smile and accept that some people are just bad. But as an officer, it is not your job to get offended and take action". I asked about people giving you the middle finger. He said " that will happen. And you will do nothing but smile and continue with the plan of action you had, either ticketing them or arresting them or what have you".
Where did this mentality change in the LEO culture from "its part of the job" to, "I will kill anyone who offends me"?

originally posted by: Answer
If the tough guys on ATS actually talk to cops the way they talk ABOUT cops on this forum, it's no wonder they hate the police.

I'm just as nice to cops as I am to anyone else I encounter daily who's doing their job. I sometimes avoid tickets because of my behavior.

If you treat a cop like he's scum, you'll get treated like scum in return... you have no one to blame but yourself for your bad interactions with cops. I've only encountered a couple who seemed like power-tripping clowns and I treated them like any other power-tripping clown... I said as little as possible to get through the interaction and continue on with my life.

Maybe we should take an ATS poll of who believes they are an ATS Tough Guy first.

Afterwards, we should take an ATS Tough Guy poll, where only the ATS Tough Guys participate, and ask whom has treated a cop like scum at least once in their life...followed by multiple choice answers as to how the scum cop reacted.

OR

We can all quit generalizing and realize everyone has their breaking point, and that thousands of variables are in play when it comes to cop--citizen interaction.

Can we please quit acting like there is some obvious resolution?!!!!!?? It takes two to tango.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: real_one

I'm tired of seeing people say that the victim "wouldn't have got shot if they only listened to the officer" as if it justified the unjustified shooting.

I can't recall ever seeing a single case posted on this site where someone was shot for simply being an asshole. You're trying to blend 2 separate issues here bud.

Not one case ever?

Giraffe face winks right back at you ....

originally posted by: real_one

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: real_one

I'm tired of seeing people say that the victim "wouldn't have got shot if they only listened to the officer" as if it justified the unjustified shooting.

I can't recall ever seeing a single case posted on this site where someone was shot for simply being an asshole. You're trying to blend 2 separate issues here bud.

Not one case ever?

Giraffe face winks right back at you ....

Cop dont like your attitude you go to jail, it doesnt even have to be for a bad attitude. A police officer can execute anyone at any time, because the officer feels thretened, like when for example you try to show your lisence for a seatbelt violation bam bam bam why did you shoot me officer I was trying to do like you asked me?

Giving up a right?

It could also be said that if a person is purposely ugly to police they are giving up their right to be a respectful person.

Actually not being ugly isn't giving up anything other then an illusion in the mind.

originally posted by: network dude

Wait, so treating a cop with respect takes away your freedom?

The part that you're missing is this disturbing new trend where cops treat people like garbage even when the civilians treat them with respect.

Yeah, that's the problem. It's called instigation, and it's the cops who are doing it more and more these days.

Remember kids......................
You Will Respect His Authoritah!