Stopped by a cop? Act like an ass. After all, it's your "right".

We have to remember that compared to the 90's we have a LOT more military vets in police uniforms. Some of them may or may not fall on the PTSD spectrum.

In the past, we didn't have as many former military men and women in the police force. Police were civilian law enforcement, and weren't nearly as militarized.

If you were infantry and get out of the military, what kind of job seems to make sense with your skills? Law enforcement.

This is one of the reasons we are seeing cops going nuts on people, and the jump to SWAT at every excuse. Those boys love to suit up and play soldier at every excuse they can get.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: MasterKaman

just be quiet, shut up and comply. you will get 100 times better treatment, i assure you.

I believe the post you quoted said "comply."

The first video shows a man clearly not complying with officers commands to keep his hands up. If you refuse to keep your hands up when commanded and you keep reaching around your waistband, you can expect to be shot every single time.

The second video was really an unfortunate screw-up. The cop was way too quick on the trigger and if the man had taken a second to say "it's in my truck" it would have gone differently.

A tip that will keep you alive: always tell an officer what you're about to do before you do it. When you go reaching for something, their butthole puckers every single time.

a reply to: Learningman

The only hypocrisy I can see is that it is ok for a police officer to be rude, condescending and go above their given powers over the public (even to a model citizen) to acheive their goals, and the citizen must remain polite in the face of this, or risk facing 'consequences' that the officer will apply in retaliation to the sleight to their authority, yet if a citizen does not act like yes massa, whatever you say massa whenever they encounter the police, even if said officer is breaking laws themselves and making threats/intimidating, the police are justified to take measures that are beyond the powers bestowed upon them.

I honestly would agree, had you used an example of a drunk getting in the face of the police and not heeding legitimate warnings, but your example was of a person acting legally and not being insulting.

The truth often offends

a reply to: network dude

A lot of these people who get outraged by authority do not know how to act because they were not raised properly and have never grown up with an authority figure in their lives.

The cops in the US are not the problem by a long shot.

originally posted by: roadgravel
Remember, the next time a cop walks up to you with his hand on his gun, you might be the next unarmed citizen shot as you reach for your license or insurance papers.

or the cop might end up as the next Eddie Plank, killed during a routine traffic stop. How many of our interactions could might possibly result in violence?

After all, you didn't understand his grunted order for an ID and made the mistake of asking 'what?' and made his attitude toward you go negative.

I seriously doubt many law officers will grunt instructions and go berserk if you act confused.

Police tend to ask questions in order to find a reason that you are a law breaker. Not answering tends to make them believe you do not respect their authority.

um, no. police tend to ask questions to find out what's going on. if nothing is going on you will be released to have a nice day.

There are screw ups on both sides of people/police actions. Doubt every one will make it to the middle.

true that. much more likely that a common citizen screws up than a trained selected law officer.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: network dude

You act as if police are on a peer level with citizens. They clearly are not.

Neither police nor citizens are required to be nice. Only citizens are required to abide by this countries arcane and stiffing laws.

Authoritarians are a cancer on a free society. Mercenaries are herpes.

Rants like the ops always remind me of the chicken #er episode of South Park.

"respect my authoritie!!!" as they club you without mercy.

I was thinking the same thing

Earlier this month a family member was on a trip in Utah and got pulled up for speeding. The person started with a bit of an attitude when pulled over. After the initial words, the officer said 'You want to start over?' Cooler a head came out and the person left with a warning.

Sometimes a bit of respect does help in the situation but it requires give and take on both sides. Looks like there is a professional officer in Utah.

One of my all-time faves...

'A tip that will keep you alive: always tell an officer what you're about to do before you do it. When you go reaching for something, their butthole puckers every single time. '

I see this said a lot, and I would agree, to an extent, and i see your point. Im in favor of my local police, for the most part, i have run into two who did not behave in a manner conductive to good policing, but the officers i have spoken to have themselves mae complaints about these 2.

But, as a caveat, just as the police are (somewhat justifiably) twitchy when it comes to citizens, the amount of stories of planted evidence, shots to the back and so on, give the citizens a certain amount of jitteriness around the police. That the police are being said to be justified in their extreme responses in some cases, yet NO citizen is afforded the same luxury, even when it is obvious that the officers were acting criminally and a threat to the public, is what i view as the issue.

If the bad police claim to be in danger in their line of work, as a means to justify behaviour that anywhere else would be condemned, the citizens should be afforded leeway when it comes to being leery of the police. It is a two way street.

I get just as annoyed at kids and such saying Frick the police, as i do when i read of police treating citizens as the enemy.

a reply to: Answer

The first video shows a man clearly not complying with officers commands to keep his hands up. If you refuse to keep your hands up when commanded and you keep reaching around your waistband, you can expect to be shot every single time.

What the video really fails to show, is that the guy they shot was talking to them, he was talking with his hands. Some people are like that. He was explaining that THEY WERE THE ONE'S whose bike was stolen, and they were out looking for their own stolen bike. They were not the bike thieves that that the police suspected them be. That's what he was saying to them, when they shot him and one other boy, who DID have his hands up.

originally posted by: network dude

Should we just all assume ALL cops are bad? Seems like a relatively stupid way to go about life.

It seems the safest default selection. Sort of the way they assume I'm a criminal who's armed and about to shoot them.

That means I'll start off with neutral politeness, generally. If you're a strutting assclown, I'll likely laugh, though.

a reply to: works4dhs

You can't honestly think no officers do as I stated. There are video that prove they do.

originally posted by: Hefficide
We've reached a point where we are forced to perceive the police as dangerous thugs who we need to cower to just to avoid being summarily and arbitrarily beaten or executed in the street?

A lot of times it seems to be that when cops say they "want respect", what that seems to mean is that they want you to fear them, and show it. A little groveling and fawning, please, citizen, or I'll assume you are belligerent.

a reply to: Bedlam

Why can't DARPA hurry up with RoboCop?

A dispassionate, non-corruptible, always fair and non-emotional enforcer of the law ... and JUST the law.

a reply to: network dude
The same people that get so offended when they are asked any type of question by an officer that is investigatory in nature are the same ones that will complain about and ridicule the police when they fail to "do their job" and arrest all the rapists, murders and what-not.
Effective policing requires some level of interrogation, especially during traffic stops.
It's just how it works. I could go around all day sniffing the flowers and not asking any questions, but that would be a complete waste of those tax dollars.
Oh well, such is the nature of the job.
Most folks really are pretty decent to deal with, same with cops.

a reply to: network dude

Imagine for one second, you are that cop.

Now imagine that you are a cashier at Walmart.
Don't you wish you could have people be nice to you when you ring them up?
But many of them are not.
So give them a little bit of attitude and you get fired.

Not if you are a cop. You get a paid leave if you shoot someone because they were not polite enough to suit you.

The Walmart cashier doesn't get paid in tax dollars either.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Bedlam

Why can't DARPA hurry up with RoboCop?

A dispassionate, non-corruptible, always fair and non-emotional enforcer of the law ... and JUST the law.

Did you see Robocop?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Bedlam

Why can't DARPA hurry up with RoboCop?

A dispassionate, non-corruptible, always fair and non-emotional enforcer of the law ... and JUST the law.

Once RoboCop arrives. I wonder how long before he is hacked and goes all crazy. I suppose the the hack could go both ways and sometimes RoboCop takes a carefree, ignore the crime attitude.

originally posted by: Hefficide

This honestly hurts my soul. We've reached a point where we are forced to perceive the police as dangerous thugs who we need to cower to just to avoid being summarily and arbitrarily beaten or executed in the street?

I'm not the brightest guy in town, but to me that is pretty much the definition of a tyranny.

I wholeheartedly agree.

I don't know what was going on in Illinois last week, but on my way to work there were cops all over the interstate pulling people over. So being the good boy that I am, I set my cruise control at 70 and was careful not to commit any moving violations.

Sure enough a state trooper got behind me and stayed right up on my bumper for almost 5 minutes. After passing a couple of 18 wheelers I got back over to the right lane hoping he would just go around me and leave me alone, but he didn't. Finally he pulls me over and very nicely tells me I didn't do anything wrong, he was just reminding me not to get too close to the truck that was at least 80 yards ahead of me lol.

He proceeds to ask me for my driver's license and then very, very nicely starts asking me questions like how am I doing today, where am I going, where am I coming from, who I work for lol, how I'm doing again lol. At this point I knew that what he was doing was illegal and I'm starting to get a bit irritated at being the target of a fishing expedition, so I kept my answers very short, my demeanor polite, and didn't provide any information he didn't specifically ask for.

He was basically very nicely hoping I would get livid, but I never did, so he just gave me back my driver's license and sent me on my way.

What else was I supposed to do, argue with him and wind up going to jail or worse? Afterwards I felt about 2 inches tall and violated but relieved as well because he was just itching for a reason to jack me up. How are we going to stop this mess?

a reply to: network dude

I don't think you have spent much time in LE culture. I have, as a CIT trainer for a Forensics behavioral contractor.

Police no longer see themselves as part of the greater community. The prevailing attitude currently is that LE is above and separate from the community and ordinary citizens.

www.icje.org...

www.heritage.org...

The Department of Homeland security has changed everything.