"Cecil" the Lion Hunted and Killed

a reply to: punkinworks10

If it was anywhere else in the world I would agree with you but we are talking about Africa. Who knows why they are going after the ranch guy the local government coulda been in but is throwing the ranch guy under the bus now that it's all gone south.

And if I'm in Africa and I shoot a lion and then the guide is like "O Shiiete we better destroy this quick" I'm definitely not going to be "HEY YOU POACHER COME HERE YOUR UNDER ARREST!" Lol I'd like to make it home to my family thank you. Who knows why he went along with it, like I said if he was all about it, string him up.

Mindseye1609 and Manbehindthemask.........

Your Silence is DEAFENING........

As I thought, you cannot agree or even try to defend such an immoral, barbaric and totally I humane action as performed by this 'sport hunter'...... Aka Walt James Palmer the fantastic dentist........

I hope he (and those that condone this action and sport hunting in general) ROT IN HELL......

a sport for old privileged men and those whom have no rational sense or intelligence regarding the planet we ALL live on.......

Regards

PDUK

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You wanted stats on Game Hunting being a problem so that's what I gave you. If that isn't what you wanted then go get the info yourself as if you even care.

I'm not saying all game hunters are POS poachers but they aren't all nature loving benevolent hunters that do it for the betterment of animals either.

Personally, someone who hunts for trophy is a just a pussy who thinks doing something macho makes him a man. I don't find it too cool to hunt and kill something simply to hang it's head on the wall and claim superiority over the animal. To shoot it from a distance after baiting or luring into a trap and using modern tech against it doesn't seem to superior to me. Then doing it just to get some false sense of pride out of it like it was a challenge is just lame. But that is just my opinion.

This OP is about illegal hunting taking place under the guise of legal hunting. You want to shift focus away from it because you personally are a responsible hunter according to you. If that's true, great, good for you. But this guy wasn't and neither are thousands of others who have decimated populations of creatures all over the planet for centuries. Be it lions, elephants or whatever and all the wonderful money they paid to do it, if they paid at all, isn't going to bring them back.

You want to hunt something, go hunt yourselves. Because if this planet needs something to be culled it's the goddamn humans running amok f*cking everything up with their BS killing everything in sight.

FairPlay Mindseye1609

Just read your reply after my last post....

Regards

PDUK

If the defenders of this type of hunt were as responsible as they claim, they wouldn't be defending it.

Only pri@ks with lot's of money can afford this brand of ugliness.

a reply to: mOjOm

You are so emotionally attached to all this it's silly. Casting some pretty despariging judgments for some compensation reasons I'm assuming? Feel threatened by hunters? By alphas?

This person is one of the minorities, you don't make laws and restrictions based on the outliers.

You can't make proper judgements using outliers as your examples.

Go watch that Joe rogan expierence with that Corey knowlton guy, Corey is comepletely a tool, probably out killing animals for all the ego reasons your despariging against, but he's also spent millions to help conserve the animals and has probably made sure 100 have lived for every 1 he's killed with all his money. You gotta take that into account. 90% of these trophy animals are killed on ranches that raise these animals just for hunting. Would you rather they raise them in a barn and electrocute them?

Like I've said over and over this is a very big and mature topic and nature isn't a Disney movie. Just "not killing" these animals will cause them to be whiped out. It costs a Lot of money to buy land and plant food plots and to pay biologists and flyovers and blah blah blah it's insane how much it all costs, I can't afford to pay for that, sadly they would die off unprotected if it was up to me because I'm unable to do anything about it and neither are all the poor people of Africa, but they could sure use that gold under the ground.. Or the wood from trees.. Or whatever, the $$$$ value allows these bored dentists who's life is at some point where they feel he need to go hunt a lion and they have the extra $$

If it's all above board nothing goes to waste, the bones the meat the fur it's all used.

Money goes to the community and the conservation of the rest of the animals.

The middle age dentist gets a little shot of testosterone and maybe is able to whiten teeth for the rest of the year.

The dentists wife gets to feel safe in the arms of her bit hunter lol

The pride of lions gets a new male for breeding (when it's above board)

When it's all above board it's positive.

a reply to: mindseye1609

O yeah nature is just a bunch of stuff we haven't shot and eaten YET,heres a video for you the last male white rhino ON EARTH there are only 5 left why dont you go shoot one and get a 'shot of testosterone'

originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: mOjOm

You are so emotionally attached to all this it's silly. Casting some pretty despariging judgments for some compensation reasons I'm assuming? Feel threatened by hunters? By alphas?

Killing an animal at a safe distance with a high powered rifle and scope just so you can have it's head as a trophy doesn't make you an alpha male. Only a psudo alpha male wannabe would ever consider that to be an accomplishment.

This person is one of the minorities, you don't make laws and restrictions based on the outliers.

Actually we do. We make laws and restrictions based off the stupid and careless actions of those who don't or won't use better judgement. That's how it's always been, don't kid yourself. Poaching laws aren't there because of people who hunt responsibly, use what they hunt and hunt for only what they need. We made them because some morons thought it would cool to go slaughter animals for fun.

Like I've said over and over this is a very big and mature topic and nature isn't a Disney movie. Just "not killing" these animals will cause them to be whiped out. It costs a Lot of money to buy land and plant food plots and to pay biologists and flyovers and blah blah blah it's insane how much it all costs, I can't afford to pay for that, sadly they would die off unprotected if it was up to me because I'm unable to do anything about it and neither are all the poor people of Africa, but they could sure use that gold under the ground.. Or the wood from trees.. Or whatever, the $$$$ value allows these bored dentists who's life is at some point where they feel he need to go hunt a lion and they have the extra $$

Nature works perfectly fine without us having to fix it. The reason for the nature preserves isn't because nature needed our help. It's because we take over all the land and push animals out of their normal territory. If nature needed us to fix it we would never have been here in the first place. All we're doing is fixing or managing the problems we create ourselves. Sure we are now preserving land to help Elephants and lions from going extinct. But that's only because we drive them toward extinction first then try and fix it once we admit to what we're doing.

If it's all above board nothing goes to waste, the bones the meat the fur it's all used.

Money goes to the community and the conservation of the rest of the animals.

The middle age dentist gets a little shot of testosterone and maybe is able to whiten teeth for the rest of the year.

The dentists wife gets to feel safe in the arms of her bit hunter lol

The pride of lions gets a new male for breeding (when it's above board)

When it's all above board it's positive.

When it's all done just right that might be so in some cases. But there are plenty of cases where it's not being done like that. There is a lot of money to promote that idea which we both know is corrupt. If that was the majority then why is it that there are so many Big Game animals on the brink of extinction all the time??? I'm not saying it's all the hunters fault but clearly there is a problem.

I also don't give a damn about this dentist and his insecurity issues or what it requires to impress his wife so he can get laid. Killing some farm raised animal as if you're some big hero on the hunt is childish. His need to compensate for who he is isn't justification for what he's done. I'm sorry he feels he must go kill some cool animal in an unfair match just to feel like a man. It must suck to be such a shell of a person that you need trophies of cowardly killings to support you. Maybe if he'd actually accomplish something real in life he wouldn't need to pursue such things. But until then I guess it's just better that we endorse his quest of manhood as he goes around killing "Trophy Animals" for his own pleasure and amusement. You would think that after all the "Trophies" he's got so far that it would be enough, but I guess he is a long way from being a man still. How many do you think it takes before he's a man and his wife will agree to bang him for who he is???

a reply to: khnum

If there's 2 breeding males, 2 breeding females And then an older male/female passed breeding prime and the conservationists feel the older one should be culled in order to raise money for and to protect the breeding age population, then i wouldn't have any problem with it.

And why are rhinos so near being extinct? They went full prohibition on rhino hunting and the poachers were able to run wild. Why not stop the poachers? Put the rhinos on protected land? Who's going to pay for that? Hunters is who, the hunters invest in the populations. A hunter doesn't want to just whipe out the last 5 rhinos, that's terrible, that's a psycho who wants something like that, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would want to do that among hunters. Best group of people I've ever met.

sick tw@ that dentist is.

a reply to: mOjOm

Have you ever fired a rifle at a long distance? If you can't hit a pop can then your not accurate enough to take a clean shot. If you can hit a pop can, which is unreal hard at 1000 yards, then go nuts. Good on ya.

Check out Cameron Hanes, he kills elk at 8 yards with a bow. Kills bear at close ranges too. He's probably the most popular hunter on the planet right now, for good reason.

Check out Steve rhinella. He's got college degrees and writes books on animal conservation. These are the majority of the hunters out there. I've met 1000's of hunters and only 2-3 bad ones.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
got no problem hunting to put food on the table if you actually have to supplement your food stuffs that way. other wise go to the grocery store and buy you a steak, it proablly tastes much better. but even at that you don't know if the animal was treated right.

but killing animals just to be killing them that's just horsesh@@, and to call it a sport that's even more ludicrous. if you want a sport, teach them how to fire a weapon and then run around in the bush on equal grounds, that would be a sport.

plus those that bait a field, or use lures to bring them to a blind, or putting on male or female scent to bring them up, hide in the trees above them down wind, case them with dogs,trucks, helicopters or any of the other tricks used, what a bunch of pansies.

get out there and stalk, doing all that other stuff does not pit you against the animal, that just shows what a no good lousy sneaky pete bastard you are.

No what would be real sport is getting that a55hole unarmed face to face with a male Lion as a dentist a nice close up of the Lions teeth as he is ripped to shreds would interest him

a reply to: wmd_2008

How would that be sport? Nature gave lions teeth, claws, speed, strength.

Nature gave us intelligence. We use our intelligence to win, but not always. A lion conservationist recently was drug out of her car window and killed by guess what, A LION! Try and save them all you want they will eat your face off, ever seen grizzly man? Yogi was definitely just a cartoon.

originally posted by: mindseye1609

Conservation is a very mature and adult topic of discussion. There's many hard truths we need to remember. FIRST OFF, these animals don't live forever if we don't hunt them. They die a terrible terrible animal death most of the time. Eaten alive by coyotes butthole first doesn't sound like fun and that's a very very common death for many mammals in North America. Freezing to death slowly because they aren't strong enough to make it sounds like fun too huh? A good clean hunter kill is over in seconds. A clean arrow kill is over before the animal even knows its hurt.

NO they die the way NATURE intended not because some rich a55hole thinks it's sport what goes around comes around since he is from the states a country with far to easy access to weapons may be some animal activist will see him off and that will only make me

a reply to: wmd_2008

I'm always perplexed by the animal sympathizes that's are against animal "murder" but support the murder of humans, hypocrisy at the highest levels.

And people like to forget that PEOPLE are part of NATURE. What we do is natural. There is no magical spell that makes humans different then nature. Nature created us and gave us our abilities. When we build a Dyson sphere it will be natural, built out of natural minerals from disassembling all of Venus and Mercury.

People = Nature = civilization = life. There is no magical divides. Ants will comepletely strip mine an area and go crazy for resources. Monkeys war and murder and rape. Dolphins murder and rape. Orcas kill for fun. These are all natural actions and the sooner we can realize the truth the sooner we can start working towards a higher goal.



Just because things are natural doesn't make them beneficial to society, that's what we need to work on. Just because we can strip mine doesn't mean we should. Just because we can kill animals doesn't mean we should. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't kill animals ever, those are 2 extremist forms of thought. Somewhere in the middle lies the most beneficial path for all and that's the goal/person we should all strive to be.

originally posted by: mindseye1609

Have you ever fired a rifle at a long distance? If you can't hit a pop can then your not accurate enough to take a clean shot. If you can hit a pop can, which is unreal hard at 1000 yards, then go nuts. Good on ya.

Yes I have and I agree it's hard to hit your target at any significant range.

Check out Cameron Hanes, he kills elk at 8 yards with a bow. Kills bear at close ranges too. He's probably the most popular hunter on the planet right now, for good reason.

Check out Steve rhinella. He's got college degrees and writes books on animal conservation. These are the majority of the hunters out there. I've met 1000's of hunters and only 2-3 bad ones.

That's great. I have nothing against hunters who are responsible and know what they're doing and actually have a need for what they hunt. I know plenty of hunters and I like some of what they bring back too. I've had sausage made of Wild Boar, Bear and Deer that was great. I used to be big in to fishing as well. My father was a big hunter, his thing was antelope.

I'm not trying to blame Game Hunters in general. I don't even think they are the real problem either. We've just kind of gone off on a tangent here. If anything I would blame the industry catering to legitimate game hunters for the problems. I'm sure Game Hunters are mostly doing things they way they think is right.

But then there are guys like this dentist. Who even at best case killed this lion without realizing it was protected. However, he knew before he skinned it and claimed it's head as a trophy. He seems to be trying to duck out of being responsible for what he did. That should piss off legit hunters just as much if not more than non hunters. He's also been caught dong this same illegal hunting before with other animals. He's already got many trophy kills too. With all that in mind, I think he's a POS and something needs to be done. Shifting focus to legit Game Hunting doesn't matter as it's got nothing to do with this guys actions. At best he's still a lying illegal hunter that is ducking accountability. At worst he's just an outright poaching prick, with low security and alpha male issues. So that's what I'm focusing on, that's all.

a reply to: PurpleDog UK

ummm actually I did replyto you but thanks for the snark

a reply to: mOjOm

You want to hunt something, go hunt yourselves. Because if this planet needs something to be culled it's the goddamn humans running amok f*cking everything up with their BS killing everything in sight.

Wow such hate, you sound no better than the poacher

originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: wmd_2008

How would that be sport? Nature gave lions teeth, claws, speed, strength.

Nature gave us intelligence. We use our intelligence to win, but not always. A lion conservationist recently was drug out of her car window and killed by guess what, A LION! Try and save them all you want they will eat your face off, ever seen grizzly man? Yogi was definitely just a cartoon.

That AIN'T SPORT, that's like putting a Super Heavyweight boxer against a flyweight boxer would that be considered a fair fight somehow I don't think so.

He didn't use his intelligence he used a MANUFACTURED WEAPON to give him an unfair advantage.

If he wants to show how brave and macho he is join a boxing or martial arts club but I don't think he could muster a pair to do that

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: mindseye1609

Have you ever fired a rifle at a long distance? If you can't hit a pop can then your not accurate enough to take a clean shot. If you can hit a pop can, which is unreal hard at 1000 yards, then go nuts. Good on ya.

Yes I have and I agree it's hard to hit your target at any significant range.

Check out Cameron Hanes, he kills elk at 8 yards with a bow. Kills bear at close ranges too. He's probably the most popular hunter on the planet right now, for good reason.

Check out Steve rhinella. He's got college degrees and writes books on animal conservation. These are the majority of the hunters out there. I've met 1000's of hunters and only 2-3 bad ones.

That's great. I have nothing against hunters who are responsible and know what they're doing and actually have a need for what they hunt. I know plenty of hunters and I like some of what they bring back too. I've had sausage made of Wild Boar, Bear and Deer that was great. I used to be big in to fishing as well. My father was a big hunter, his thing was antelope.

I'm not trying to blame Game Hunters in general. I don't even think they are the real problem either. We've just kind of gone off on a tangent here. If anything I would blame the industry catering to legitimate game hunters for the problems. I'm sure Game Hunters are mostly doing things they way they think is right.

But then there are guys like this dentist. Who even at best case killed this lion without realizing it was protected. However, he knew before he skinned it and claimed it's head as a trophy. He seems to be trying to duck out of being responsible for what he did. That should piss off legit hunters just as much if not more than non hunters. He's also been caught dong this same illegal hunting before with other animals. He's already got many trophy kills too. With all that in mind, I think he's a POS and something needs to be done. Shifting focus to legit Game Hunting doesn't matter as it's got nothing to do with this guys actions. At best he's still a lying illegal hunter that is ducking accountability. At worst he's just an outright poaching prick, with low security and alpha male issues. So that's what I'm focusing on, that's all.

Of course it upsets the legitimate hunters--it gives us a bad name, it gives emotionally based ammunition to the fanatics, it hurts conservation, it damages the balance and process and if the balance and process fails, there will be no animals left to enjoy for any reason.

Legal, managed, and well reimbursed hunts do more to preserve these animals than outright bans.

This person may have violated the law. In which case, he needs to go to trial and, if found guilty, punished ALONG WITH the locals who helped him. Quite often in Africa the locals dupe the tourist into giving over money for something, then turn them in for isolating the law, then get paid again in fines which is why I suggest that any true justice must include the officials and locals who helped him. Africa is a very corrupt place politically.

I've not seen a single hunter in this thread attempt to justify poaching.