"Cecil" the Lion Hunted and Killed

All you people reveling in this mans ruin are causing untold harm onto the very species you think your protecting by casting outrage over the Internet...

@starfoxxx the major consequences are that other people will be afraid to go hunt these animals and the value of the license will go down. That's less money for the animals... Take the value away all together and the local tribesman will choose their family over the lions every day of the week.. Why do you think there is sp few lions? Cause we snuggled them all to death? No they wiped them out over fear.

originally posted by: mindseye1609
All you people reveling in this mans ruin are causing untold harm onto the very species you think your protecting by casting outrage over the Internet...

@starfoxxx the major consequences are that other people will be afraid to go hunt these animals and the value of the license will go down. That's less money for the animals... Take the value away all together and the local tribesman will choose their family over the lions every day of the week.. Why do you think there is sp few lions? Cause we snuggled them all to death? No they wiped them out over fear.

...shame...the other thing is, $50.000 wouldn't have bought him the intelligence to think it through...oh well...


Å99

originally posted by: mindseye1609
And do you know what's sad about this persons life being ruined? It's scared many people away from spending the money.

In the case of Corey knowlton and his black rhino he paid $350,000 for his license. They expected near $2,000,000 but all the bidders backed out at the last moment over fears of damage to their companies or their families. In a panic the local conservationist got ahold of Corey and asked him if he knew anyone who would want to bid on the license to try and raise money for the remaining black rhinos and Corey scrapes together every penny he could find himself. No one else bid and he paid $350,000. He coulda got it for $50,000 but he knew they need more and the licens was worth potentially millions.

All this online backlash is actually harming the animals in the long run, congratulations you guys cost the black rhino 1.6 million and who knows how many other licenses values have been drove down over fears of backlash...

originally posted by: mindseye1609
All you people reveling in this mans ruin are causing untold harm onto the very species you think your protecting by casting outrage over the Internet...

Yes, the small amount of people on the net talking about this and the petition... have a smaller effect on this overall compared to his stupid decision to slaughter a lion that not only brings in money to the reserve but also is part of preserving the local lion population.


How about blaming the hunter for his wrong doing? And about how inhumane the lions death was?

How about that he not only is costing, as already mentioned, costing the black rhino 1.6 million.

But also,

The ZCTF said on Tuesday that it continued to mourn Cecil. Rodrigues pointed out that the hunter was believed to have paid just $50,000 to kill a creature that would have brought millions of dollars worth of tourism to the reserve.

Conservation authorities said they were also dealing with the likely consequences of Cecil’s death for his six cubs. “The saddest part of all is that now that Cecil is dead, the next lion in the hierarchy, Jericho, will most likely kill all Cecil’s cubs so that he can insert his own bloodline into the females.”

Source

a reply to: dreamingawake

That's a very over confident estimate on African tourism dollars... Might wanna triple check that. cause last I checked the it's but a fraction that go to Africa for leisure. 99% of it is for profit, whether it be photography or film or hunting or whatever, someone has a goal in mind and has paid to do so, almost no one goes to just to expierence Africa and even those people only go to a few main tourist hubs, what about the rest?

And it's not a small a mount of people are you kidding me? The Corey knowlton story had its own CNN crew on hand. This is getting insanely out of control.. When it goes viral it's sooo saturating, it's to the point a major company could take some serious losses if they were tied to something like this and that's going to cost the animals in the end.

originally posted by: NerdGoddess

This is so selfish With the technology we have today, Trophy Hunting is not only unnecessary, but destroying species.



He didn't NEED Cecil's skin for clothes.



He didn't NEED Cecil's muscles and organs for food.



He didn't NEED to kill Cecil.



He threw away Fifty Thousand Dollars...... To kill a beautiful creature.



To me that is sick, and a sign of a mental illness. That is just my opinion.



I am disgusted.



-Alee

I like your point - but I am a torn human, on one hand I find it horrific and indeed mental for the need to kill such a beutiful creature, but on the other hand, I go fishing (I do return my catch and dont eat them which is probably worse in many eyes) and I find it fascinating to watch a dog course a hare (even if the hare gets away I think good on you mr hare, I dont need to see it die - but I dont think that matters I enjoy the course).

Im not against shooting Deer or Rabbits which are a pest / breed for shooting in Scotland however, I hate to see wild Stags being killed.

I also smashed a bird with a cricket bat as it flew at my head and rolled around on the floor laughing with my son ( he just bowled the ball and the bird went for it and as it flew up ove rmy head I smashed it for 6)

I dont profess to understand how the mind works, on one hand I love gods creatures, my dog is my soulmate, on the other hand I wouldnt lose a seconds sleep running over a cat or squirrel in my car and certainly dont swerve to miss them at the expense of a potential accident.

Perhaps it charm - the mightly lion, endangered species, so few of them, not traditinal "sporting animals' like deer and fish and the romance of the king of the jungle.

As Doc Holliday says, my Hypocracy knows no bounds.

I would like to pay $50k to hunt this fella across the Scottish highlands though, no baiting, he can even have his own rifle and crossbow, proper sport like Gladiators...do you have the minerals tough guy..

Sure let's do away with sport hunting if you guys insist, except if you manage that I will not give a flying crap once you all start complaining about the consequences of your deluded actions.

What consequences you ask.

Hmmm...

Sport hunting pays the villagers and Rangers.

The Rangers drive away the poachers and happy well feed villagers want to keep the sport hunting benefits so they do not harbor poachers or become poachers.

The cooperation of villagers and rangers have drilled artificial wells for the animal populations and maintain them. Not because they like the animals that threaten their lives, but because they like the benefits from sport hunts.


So once you guys ban sport hunting there will be fewer Rangers and far more Poachers and slaughter at wholesale to feed the villagers and satisfy the oriental markets that just got to have their Lion Ball soup holistic mumbo jumbo.


So go ahead and ban it then in a few decades there will not be any more critters for you to cry over.



This message brought to you by someone who doesn't hunt.

I think the Wildlife are the only things worth keeping in africa, and that doesnt include the ill educated things walking on 2 legs that contain a semblance of human DNA.

Make it one massive nature reserve and in the meantime we can probably remove half of the earths useless airbreathers possibly reducing the greenhouse effect.

Anyone find a loss in that Win / Win scenario?

a reply to: mindseye1609

I am so tired of hearing your justifying opinion on this tragedy.
It's like a pitbull on a straw man.
Go be this guys lawyer when he has to go to court, because you sound like one.

Remember he is a repeat offender when it comes to skirting hunting legalities, he needs to made an example of in an infamous way, that will stop future hunters with big coin from doing it, so they won't get lynched on social media.

They have been warned.

Doubly warned now, check this out.
Petition Made To White House

Edit: And one last thing, Mr. Palmer you enjoyed hunting wild big game, I hear Anonymous was looking for it's next target to hunt as well, welcome to 2015.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
i say take him back to south africa and throw him and his bow and arrows into the ocean near a seal colony he can try to add a great white to his collection!

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
i say take him back to south africa and throw him and his bow and arrows into the ocean near a seal colony he can try to add a great white to his collection!

I think this is a great idea.....:-)


Also - having read through all comments here then a few points stick in my mind.....

1 - however which way you look at it....having made money does not give you the right to take a sentient life.....

2 - Sport hunting is for mentally unstable people...

3 - if you want to needlessly kill something then join the military or perhaps some crime gang.

PDUK

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: SubTruth

Nope.......I have family member who I know very well that are good people but still trophy hunt for the fun of it

Then how can your statement that Trophy hunters are bad people deep down be a "personal truth" if even then its not true?


edit: i see you went back and changed how you wrote that......after two pages of defending it......bad form man, bad form

Are you thick or something.......I gave you the reason for the edit.....Do you read posts. I will say this one last time because it is obvious this line of thought is beyond your comprehension. Personal truth is subjective and facts are not.


This is simple.......Truth is opinion and opinions can change. Facts tend to not change. What color is the sky...... Also before calling bad form go back and read the posts..........I openly stated why I edited it.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Sure let's do away with sport hunting if you guys insist, except if you manage that I will not give a flying crap once you all start complaining about the consequences of your deluded actions.

I expect those who don't understand the real business of conservation to start donating now - - - to keep wild animals alive and well and not extinct.

Better open your wallets.

dp

Will be making a dontion tommorow after a bit of research.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Its not like they are just going on there killing lions in masse to feed people...
Do you seriously not know how this works?

Yeah I know how it works , or at least how you think it works.

Hungry people in the area want food.......
Everyone wins and no healthy prides are adversely affected......

In killing this one Lion he actually killed seven Lions , how many people will be fed by the six cubs ?
The Lion was killed on July 1st but it's carcass wasn't discovered untill a few days later , how many hungry people did this Lion feed ?

Two Zimbabwean men - a professional hunter and a farm owner - have been charged with poaching offences because the group did not have a hunting permit.
www.bbc.co.uk...

but by all means continue ignoring facts in favor of emotional facts, it matters not to me

Mr Palmer is said to have shot Cecil with a crossbow, injuring the animal. The group didn't find the wounded lion until 40 hours later, when he was shot dead with a gun.

There are facts but it is YOU who is ignoring them in favour of your own version of reality , I guess the suffering of this animal matters not to you either.

a reply to: mindseye1609

Errr isn't it the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force that actually came out with this news and are not happy about the dentist shooting this lion? So you are telling us that trophy shooting pays for conservation, yet the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force is I quote ' said on Tuesday that it continued to mourn Cecil'. It also points out 'that the hunter was believed to have paid just $50,000 to kill a creature that would have brought millions of dollars worth of tourism to the reserve'.
So $50,000 for shooting against millions of dollars worth of tourism. So we keep shooting these things for their conservation? At what point do we stop shooting them? At 1 or 2 left alive?

It even had a GPS collar on it which are big and bulky things. Even at night with lights you would of been able to see the collar!

Killing things for sport because you find it fun is morally wrong. Who gave you the right to play God?

So he's had to close his business? And he'll probably have to move.
Well he deserves everything he gets ya know?
I hope this completely ruins his life.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
It's a disgusting sport done by disgusting people. Not much more to say about it really. Especially in this case that the lion was wandering around in pain after being shot by an arrow for 40hours.

Sorry, no disrespect meant here and just for the record I am totally on your fence.

But...

Please do not associate hunting with sport...!!

Running is a sport. Swimming is a sport. Soccer is a sport. Mountain climbing is a sport.

Hunting is NOT a sport and any hunter calling him/herself a "SPORTS-person" is delusional and retarded.

I place trophy hunters in the same level of my hate list as ISIS...!!

Hunting has its place - "survival", to feed yourself and your family when there is no other alternative.

Nuf said.

a reply to: NerdGoddess

I agree

I am a hunter and I kill

FOR MEAT ONLY AND ONLY HOW MUCH I NEED