The Mark of the Beast is in your wallet

a reply to: arpgme

I think the etymology of the word can give us a clue. The word used for beast in Revelation is θηρίου which means "wild beast", but this word is a diminutive form of the word θήρα which means "hunting". The word beast used is pointing toward something that is hunting for prey. The banking systems and religious systems are hunters looking for prey, the trap is money or death threats (religious dogma). I believe it is just denoting a hunter and prey dichotomy, us being the prey and it (banks/religion) being the hunter.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

As a Greek i have to disagree with your meanings concerning Greek words. You can not simply butcher words and invent new meanings.

The Greek word for "money" is χρήματα. Let's break this word down a bit, the first two letters χρ mean "time", the last 5 letters ήματα mean "graduated scales", when you add graduating scales (ήματα) to time(χρ), you get money (χρήματα).

Wrong. Time = χρόνος in Greek. Your claim that "χρ" means "time" doesn´t make a sense as its only 2 letters together. The meaning of "graduated scales" in Greek reads "βαθμολογημένες κλίμακες" and not "ήματα". "ήματα" is the accusative plural of the word "ἦμαρ" in Ancient Greek.

Taking the last letter away from the word you get νόμισμ which means "nomism".

What is the meaning of "water" if i take "r" away from the word ? What "wate" means ? This is what you have done with the word "νόμισμα".

Let's look at the word for "religion" in Greek, it is θρησκεία. The last three letters εία mean "funds" which is a certain sum of money.

The last 3 letters have no meaning at all. Greek adjectives in declension "ύς-εία-ύ."

Words like " ευθεία", "οξεία", "αμβλεία" etc.

Let's get back to the Greek language one last time. The Greek word for Christian is Χριστιανός. Let's break this word down as well. The first 5 letters Χριστ mean Christmas, the last 5 letters ιανός mean Janus.

You got the first part right that "Christian" = "Χριστιανός" in Greek. Actually Christmas = "Χριστούγεννα" in Greek. Which is the general plural from "Χριστού + γέννα". Literally means "Christ + Birth". Not Janus or anything else.

Peace

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: borntowatch

Communism is not a form of atheism. You can be communist while still believing in God. Russia is a communist country yet 75%of its population is identified as Orthodox Christian.

Communism is a form of socialism, Jesus was a socialist, healing and feeding people for free. Jesus said to give away all that you had, that is a forum of redistribution, a staple of the socialist movement.

So Stalin Mao and Pol Pot wernt atheists though they had a mandate to destroy religion in all its shapes.

Atheistic politics has caused more deaths than religion probably 10 fold. Thats was my original point.

Atheists by and large are far more bloodthirsty than the religious, cold hard numbers

I consider atheism a religion, communism is a form of atheism when Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin were in charge.
John wick said most wars were in the name of religion, well most wars were about greed power and control

Argue that, not straws

a reply to: Seed76

I'm no expert in linguistics so I'll take a native speakers word for it. That was only a mild curiosity that I ran across though, it doesn't change the premise of my OP. Thanks for clarifying though.

a reply to: borntowatch

OK, so with that logic we can come to the conclusion that every war approved by a Christian president was in the name of Christianity. Bush is a Christian so when he invaded a predominately Muslim part of the world, he was doing it in the interest of eradicating Islam in the name of Christianity. Would you say this is a fair assessment? If not then neither is yours concerning communism.

And again, communism is not a form of atheism. If it is, why is 75% of Russia Christian?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: borntowatch

OK, so with that logic we can come to the conclusion that every war approved by a Christian president was in the name of Christianity.

Well wasnt that the point of John Wicks comment, wasnt that his position.
I was just using his logic.

So Yes it is with logic we can come to the conclusion that every war approved by a Christian president was in the name of Christianity.

Are you now suggesting its not.

Congratulations we agree

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Bush is a Christian so when he invaded a predominately Muslim part of the world, he was doing it in the interest of eradicating Islam in the name of Christianity. Would you say this is a fair assessment? If not then neither is yours concerning communism.

Some would not consider bush a Christian, its not for me to decide. It doesnt seem to suggest his actions are those of a christian
Now we all know he wasn't eradicating islam thats too simple, he was securing oil for the business interests of the US

You have too many fingers in the pie, you miss my point due to arrogance.

If religion kills millions then atheistic based communism kills 10 fold more. Stalin, PolPot, Kim and Mao et al have a huge death toll compared to religion.
If my argument is absurd then it mirrors John Wicks absurdity.

Your no true scotsman stance is hypocrisy

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

And again, communism is not a form of atheism. If it is, why is 75% of Russia Christian?

75% of russians under Stalin were Christian, back it up please, bandying words is not bandying truths

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: borntowatch

My mistake, I thought you actually believed that communism is a form of atheism, which it clearly is not.

Also, I was speaking of Russia currently. It is still communist yet its population is 75% Christian. That pretty much debunks communism being a form of atheism.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: borntowatch

My mistake, I thought you actually believed that communism is a form of atheism, which it clearly is not.

Also, I was speaking of Russia currently. It is still communist yet its population is 75% Christian. That pretty much debunks communism being a form of atheism.

Ship High In Transit

Your mistake is assuming religion kills, people kill
Your mistake is assuming that belief is evil, people are evil
It doesnt matter the belief, people want, want, take and destroy, irrespective of what banner they stand under.

They stand under a banner to disguise their evil, be it religion , politics or atheism

Wicks comments are wrong because he blames the system, not the individual who perverts the system to get what they want

Russia is not communist, if it is then the US is as well, ........

If the World isn't careful, they may end up like this old twilight zone episode. No actually what am i saying! This would be kinda good, you wouldn't need to pay for anything. This is like the opposite of the nwo myth. But nonetheless great episode. Sorry i didnt intend to derail your thread. Carry on.

“Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.” – Plato ...

The mark of the beast is part of revelation explaining the conceptualisation of our language (in the veil translation).

We mark a piece of paper, a stone, a cave wall. It's what sets us apart from other intelligent life which can't communicate. It is also what is used to enslave us.

REVELATION 13:15 And in the conceptualising (language) of the creature (man) it was decided that from its breath it should be able to give sound. Sound by which they would be able to communicate with each other.

REVELATION 13:16 And in the conceptualising (language) of the creature (man) it was decided that it should be able to use its hands to make markings. So that it could use those markings to communicate with others the thoughts in their head.

REVELATION 13:17 And from this they will be able to interact with each other and pass what they know (Buy and sell), so that those who didn't create the writings, would know who they were written by, and when it was written (number of the mark of the beast).

But you are right in the money side of it. Because it also describes (in alternate translation) the use of contract law to enslave people. Where the signature on the contract becomes the binding 'Mark of the beast'.

I could sit here and come up with more correct translations ... depending on how you want to look at the algorithms in the language. Each Bible passage can give as many different meanings as you are prepared to find. If you change the way texts are broken down and interpreted.

In one passage in revelation (relating to SEVEN seals), i decoded the following "correct" translations

* One related to mathematics of a sphere
* One related to celestial mechanics
* One related to how colour is perceived by the eye.
* One relating to my own life personally
* One relating to philosophy

And then of course there is the Greek and English translations, which sit differently to each other on their own.

The stupid, recursive, and self-depreciating part of this? Is that there is then ALSO a translation which can be taken from this passage which deals to the LAYERS OF TRANSLATED CODE within the Bible as the Seven Seals.

A deeper encoded passage, talking about finding a deeper encoded passage ...

Which basically means that I've broken the seven seals.

This is the thing about language patterns. If you can recognise the patterns which comprise languages .. you could sit there and go layer, after layer, after layer into the texts finding translations deeper, and deeper again.

This is because the mathematical patterns within the language are correlated directly to our own mathematical existence, as they are propagated by us. Therefore they are linked.

You can literally delve into the construct of our own existence within any translated text.

The pattens are there, because they are written by minds subject to such patterns.

It's just pattern recognition ... nothing more.

That is why the Bible is useless, dated, and nobody should ever look at it like it holds the key to anything mysterious they need to know.

Their brain already holds everything they need, most are just too foolish to realise, so they look for it in the works of others minds.

Blind leading the blind.

a reply to: SONOFTHEMORNING

That's a REALLY interesting take on it and makes total sense when looked at in a certain way. Thanks for sharing this!

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'll give you an example of just how messed up the Bible translation actually is;

REVELATION 8:13

New International Version
As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"

Correct original translation
Look at the Eagle which flies above us. It is not of ego that it would call down to those of the Earth below, as it soars through the skies above their heads."

I'm guessing that 'Soars through the skies (plural) is where they go the three angels part. I'm not sure. It's like they played a really bad game of 'Chinese whispers' and their translation was the result.

But ... EVERY translation they have of this passage .. and the Bible on a whole .. is horribly, HORRIBLY incorrect!

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


I have to disagree

Where you have total control over resource and consumer, money is irrelevant. History shows us that it is power and authority along with the means to enforce both that allows trade to continue.

in revelation we are told that the beast etc is worshipped first. The mark etc is then offered.. Such as the following example. It was raining so I had to take an umbrella. We are not forced by external persons or pressure, it was our choice.

Revelation 19:20 confirms this.

It's not possible for this in Christ to be deceived, we are told that no one can remove us from Christ and that Christ will finish what he starts in us. Those being deceived are atheists and followers of faiths like Islam, pagans, satanist etc, this why there are three to take. The mark, the number or the name. Some will be fully aware of who he is

What is more powerful the truth or a good lie, God or Satan? We are told to be careful as false prophets and false christs will arise. Be careful you are not deceived. Are we being told be careful false christs will deceive, be careful you are not deceived by thinking falsely they are Christ?

Matthew 24 says that those in Christ cannot be deceived with false christs and prophets by the miracles they perform. They deceive many, but not those that believe in the Lord. They may lead some astray. However Christ tells us that he himself will go looking for them.

Regards

David