Unmasking Climate Deception - Fossil Fuel Companies' Deceptions Revealed

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I feel sorry for people with children and grandchildren who are going to have to live through what's coming... And to know "we" brought it on ourselves is the worst part. Talking alternatives at this point is moot.

Its a pessimistic view,well sort of anyways.....our kids are the future of the human race,if our species is to survive ....future generations will live tough....and this would not be the first time by the looks of what has been left behind....

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Talking alternatives at this point is moot.

It seems to me that assigning blame is much more "moot" than anything else. Yet there are many here who still author threads looking to lay the blame on "right wingers", when all of us used these fuels. BH, do you do all your travel by foot or bike? Have you done so all your life?

Hearing the "it's already too late" rhetoric is lame. It's like you have no ability to comprehend history. Yes, in the past, things changed. Guess what we did? We ADAPTED. Sea levels will rise? Yup, and ocean front will move inland. Unless it all happens in a matter of seconds, I feel like we should be able to get out of the way. Perhaps even move ourselves inland a bit.

have the polar ice caps ever melted before? Why yes, yes the have. And somehow, they froze back. So now the big question is, if they all melt, will the world explode? Will we all drown? Or......will we continue on, ever changing and adapting to new things?

Doom porn went out in the end of 2012. No Niburu. No worldwide death and destruction.

Perhaps one day, one of these guys who are so good at pointing out why things wont work, will figure out a way that something "might" work and we can move forward.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Good find. It's beyond obvious that the REAL conspiracy is climate change denial coverup. Everything that the deniers say is wrong with climatology EXISTS in climate change denial science.

originally posted by: network dude
It seems to me that assigning blame is much more "moot" than anything else.

Assigning blame is different from revealing CAUSE. I said nothing about blaming ANYONE, except for those corporations and interests responsible. But now that you've brought that up... If greedy oil companies and billionaires represent the right-wing, then so be it. If the shoe fits...

I have no interest in arguing these FACTS with you. Believe whatever you want. I have been mentally and emotionally prepared for these facts for a couple decades. It's going to take some time for deniers to realize what's actually happening and catch up. Good luck.

I don't really care debating if climate change is man made or not...

but it's easy to debate the fact that we are just polluting TOO MUCH

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
....and this would not be the first time by the looks of what has been left behind....

I love Ancient Aliens. The stuff we have discovered that suggests the existence of previous cultures is amazing!

And mankind may survive. For all we know, there are people from Earth that have been relocated to other planets that we don't even know about.

And yes, it's a pessimistic view. I just think if I had children, I'd go crazy wondering what they and their children would have to endure. I'm sorry to bring that up, but it's something I've actually felt grateful about for a while.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Sounds like this "miracle" discovery could be a classic case of planted information by cohorts of global warming.

FOIA requests are answered by a biased Administration.

science should not be bias.

But then again google the thawing of the peruvian glaciers-That is going to cripple that country. Who is going to take in those environmental/economical migrants?

It's real and it's happening right now-who can deny it?

Those who control the energy supply, control the world. /inalienable fact

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It's funny.

You see climatologists taking ice core samples from both poles and various regions of the globe, but I've yet to see the deniers do the same thing.

If the deniers want good science then they should practice good science and get out there and record their own findings, sitting back and arguing won't do them any good, if they want to prove man made climate change is a farce they need to do something that proves they are right instead of sitting back and trying to prove why the others are wrong.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It's funny.

You see climatologists taking ice core samples from both poles and various regions of the globe, but I've yet to see the deniers do the same thing.

True, but we have this "proof" that it's all a scam...



Seriously, I agree with you completely. But the deniers know that science doesn't mean all that much to the vast majority of their fellow deniers. All they need is a snowball.

I don't think it's too late. And even if there was a possibility it was, it would be monumentally irresponsible to not even try to steer things in the right direction. Nature.. and the planet as a whole, recovers remarkably quickly from disasters, man-made or otherwise. Chernobyl is recovering much more quickly than they thought possible. Nature when left to its own devices, adapts amazingly well.

I don't think it's too late. And even if there was a possibility it was, it would be monumentally irresponsible to not even try to steer things in the right direction. Nature.. and the planet as a whole, recovers remarkably quickly from disasters, man-made or otherwise. Chernobyl is recovering much more quickly than they thought possible. Nature when left to its own devices, adapts amazingly well.

The more I contemplate the climate change vs man-made climate change issues.... the more I believe we simply need to study the issue more.

I know it's been said time and time again but it doesn't change the fact that back in the 1970's it was "indisputable" that an ice age was coming (although back then they said it wouldn't be in full bloom for a few thousand years). I remember growing up in the 1980's and we were all told that it was "indisputable" that using aerosol cans was going to obliterate the ozone layer and we were doomed. Then, in more recent years we were told that it was "indisputable" that global warming was going to fry our beloved Earth. Now, since apparently it isn't getting too cold.... and it isn't getting too hot... we settle for Climate Change. Brilliant marketing, because Climate Change is such a broad umbrella that literally can cover any event. If the Earth cools... Climate Change. If it warms.... Climate Change. Bad hurricane season... Climate Change. No hurricanes... Climate Change.

That being said (and like I said earlier), I think further studies (a LOT of further studies) should be the goal.

Believe it or not, I agree with much of the tasks that climate change activists wish to accomplish. Of course we should tread as lightly as possible on this planet. Although the developed world is getting better at being good stewards, we still made (and continue to make) a mess out of what should be pristine natural environments. Of course we should try to cut harmful emissions from vehicles, as more and more kids growing up in urban environments are becoming asthmatic.

Where "they" lose me is when "they" become "alarmists." While it's true that only the loud-mouths get the attention most of the time, I have yet to see ANY of their dire predictions come true. My favorite being Al Gore's 10-year end of the world scenario which, last I checked, gives us about 180 days left.

Even if I were entirely in the man-made climate change camp, I would hope that I would still see the Climate Change Alarmist Conspiracy. I'm not talking about thoughtful scientists putting forward ideas to clean up our messes and moving forward with greener technology. I'm talking about when the powers-that-be start pushing the hysteria in order to rake in money for themselves and their backer/contributors. Solyndra, anyone?

Can't deny the coming flood waters and stronger storms.

Those stock price profits will have to end sometime, and it will be when a major island nation is swimming in an extra 5 feet of water.

The earth doesn't have to deny this whole mess of stuff, it just handles things and carries on, we're the ones who will suffer.

originally posted by: fleabit
I don't think it's too late. And even if there was a possibility it was, it would be monumentally irresponsible to not even try to steer things in the right direction.

Absolutely agree! My husband and I are still doing everything we can to reduce our carbon footprint. My only vehicle (a 2005 RAV4) has less than 25,000 miles on it. We've recycled everything possible for over 20 years, we eat locally, use electricity and water sparingly and don't buy over-packeged goods. I drive like an old lady, I never fly, and we have upgraded appliances and a solar well.

Every little bit helps.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Your 2015 has 25k on it? Do you mean 2005 or 2.5k?

I have driven for less than a year in the last 6 years by choice, but of course this isn't a competition.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
Your 2015 has 25k on it? Do you mean 2005

Oops! Typo. Thanks. Corrected.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

You stated that Soon, among other climate scientists had been given money. I didn't see any others listed in the article though. Could you list a few more? There must be dozens, if not hundreds if this is a big conspiracy.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Bottom line is that we are a short sighted species and it will be our undoing. Money now is fair trade for the suffering of millions of strangers in other parts of the world now or billions of people fifty years from now.

Our definition of crimes against humanity needs to be calibrated to recognize actions beyond war-time massacres.

Water wars and displaced people will eventually reach our shores. Our wealth (California for example) can only off-set the change for so long.

Wildfires in the US for 2015 thus far?...Second highest acreage burned so far in recorded history, trumped only by 2011. And by definition, we have less Forrest to burn every year.
www.usatoday.com...

And it's not just California that is seeing unprecedented draught..

The historic four-year drought in California has been grabbing the headlines lately, but there's a much bigger problem facing the West: the now 14-year drought gripping the Colorado River basin.

One of the most stunning places to see its impact is at the nation's largest reservoir, Lake Mead, near Las Vegas. At about 40 percent of capacity, it's the lowest it's been since it was built in the 1930s.

www.npr.org...

We do have climate refugees in the US already..
The Alaskan village that needs to be relocated due to climate change
www.washingtonpost.com...


Alaska Sees Earliest 90 Degree Temperatures On Record
blogs.agu.org...

And here are the ten top US cities that are screwed by Climate Change..
Phoenix, Ariz
Louisville, Ky
Honolulu, Hawaii
Miami, Fla.
Barrow, Alaska
San Diego, Calif.
New York, N.Y.
The Entire State of Texas
South Paris, Maine
Park City, Utah
grist.org...

originally posted by: Danke
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

You stated that Soon, among other climate scientists had been given money. I didn't see any others listed in the article though. Could you list a few more? There must be dozens, if not hundreds if this is a big conspiracy.

I don't know their names off-hand, but I'll look it up for you...

The results showed that out of the 938 papers cited, 186 of them were written by only ten men, and foremost among them was Dr Sherwood B Idso, who personally authored 67 of them. Idso is the president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, an ExxonMobil funded think tank. The second most prolific was Dr Patrick J Michaels, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, who receives roughly 40% of his funding from the oil industry.

Nine out of Ten Top Climate Change Deniers Linked with Exxon Mobil

From the OP source:

Back in 2007, a Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) report identified Soon—an aerospace engineer with little formal training in climatology—as one of a dozen scientists affiliated with more than 40 ExxonMobil-funded think tanks that then constituted the backbone of the climate change–denier PR machine.