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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity
If the question is 'following four plane crashes the results were three buildings collapsing uniforming into their own footprint at free fall speed,...
Video and photo evidence prove that none of the WTC buildings collapsed at free fall speed.
... that the planes were able to get into one of the most heaviest protected no fly zones in the US unabated...
To let you know, our air defenses are not geared for inside border interceptions. Case in point in the following photo.
The Day the White House was Struck by an Airplane
It was swfitly carted to Staten Island, then rapidly sold to Chinese firms by waste management companies owned by the same "Mob Families" accused of using sub-standard steel in the WTC construction.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
I'll ask you a question... why do you think there are so many Architects, Engineers, Pilots and Scientists willing to put their reputations on the line to come forward and tell it as it is??
Richard Gage has an average $60,000 salary for his charity work at the supposed non-profit organization. (plus expenses)
a perfectly-profiled girlfriend suddenly appeared for Richard. Of course, she was a blonde bombshell. They began touring Europe with the money that had been donated to AE911Truth.
originally posted by: waypastvne
I'm going to ask you a couple of VERY simple aerodynamic questions involving forces on an inverted aircraft. UA 93 was inverted at a 40 degree angle of attack and pulling .64 Gs positive at time of impact.
Question: What happens to the lift vector when you turn an aircraft upside down pulling positive Gs ?
Question: Here is a drawing of a 40 deg. inverted Boeing 757. I put some different coloured arrows on it. Can you tell me what force each of those different coloured arrows represents ?
If you can't answer these simple questions then why should your opinion matter ?
originally posted by: waypastvne
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
I'll ask you a question... why do you think there are so many Architects, Engineers, Pilots and Scientists willing to put their reputations on the line to come forward and tell it as it is??
I'll let Sarah Corriher answer that. She used to work for Richard Gage.
Richard Gage has an average $60,000 salary for his charity work at the supposed non-profit organization. (plus expenses)
a perfectly-profiled girlfriend suddenly appeared for Richard. Of course, she was a blonde bombshell. They began touring Europe with the money that had been donated to AE911Truth.
healthwyze.org...
This doesn't however explain the total and utter disappearance of the plane at the site of the crash. yes it would have been a higher energy collision... not so high that all the matter simply evaporates into thin air...
The exact opposite... The video evidence clearly shows the rate of collapse as being indistinguishable from free fall speed!
And Richard what... shares his $60k salary among the thousands of Architects, Engineers, Pilots and Scientists then??
ARCHITECT Magazine
The Magzine of the American Institute of Architects
All of Gage’s so-called evidence has been rebutted in peer-reviewed papers, by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, by the National Institute for Standards and Technology, by the American Society of Civil Engineers, by the 9/11 Commission Report, and, perhaps most memorably, by the 110-year-old engineering journal Popular Mechanics.
What is more interesting than these bizarre and debunked conspiracy theories is the way that Gage places his AIA membership front and center in his presentations. He seems to be attempting to cloak his organization in the officialdom of the venerable 155-year-old professional institution, even as AIA wants nothing to do with his organization. At the start of his latest film, he explains that he is “a licensed architect of over 20 years and member of the American Institute of Architects.”
Gage often seems to wield his AIA status in promoting his conspiracy theories. In making his case, he also regularly cites that more than 100 AIA members and at least six AIA Fellows have signed his petition calling for a new investigation. In total, Gage says that more than 1,700 of the petition’s roughly 16,000 signatures are from architects and engineers.
During the screening, Gage was at the very least intimating that his organization had been invited to AIA officially. “I can’t tell you how grateful we were to have been accepted to be here in the boardroom at the national headquarters,” Gage said. “We hope this is the beginning of a very productive relationship.”
Aside from Gage, though, there was not a single other architect in the room, much less an official from AIA, or even another member. The 80-strong crowd was made up largely of members of the local 9/11 Truth movement and other political
activists.
Architects Shy From Truther 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
Architects didn't show up for a 9/11-architecture-conspiracy documentary screening—and the AIA doesn't want its name associated with Trutherism.
It is somewhat troubling that he (Richard Gage) sort of portrays the notion that we have a relations.
AIA Scott Frank said: “We don’t have any relationship with his organization whatsoever” “It is somewhat troubling that he sort of portrays the notion that we have a relationship when we certainly do not,” “There is absolutely zero relationship … [between our groups], nor will there ever be in the future.”
www.architectmagazine.com...
There are 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Yes of course.
1. Lift vector would be reversed.... as in the wings would be pulling the aircraft downwards... reversed lift.....
but the stick would also be reversed...
2. Orientation, coordinates of momentum, direction of gravitation.
Perhaps you should give me some vector math to complete....
Now, let's take a look to see how long it took for WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 to collapse.
originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity
This doesn't however explain the total and utter disappearance of the plane at the site of the crash. yes it would have been a higher energy collision... not so high that all the matter simply evaporates into thin air...
Over 90% of the wreckage of United 93 was recovered along with remains of the passengers and crew.
originally posted by: waypastvne
Compare vector sums and tell me which one is pointed into the ground.
When all forces on an aircraft are focused in the direction it's traveling , it is no longer an aircraft it is a bullet.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Orientation & Coordinates of momentum - direction red arrow is direction of movement and you have filled the speed in as around 500 knots,
Coordinates of momentum & direction of gravitation - direction of green arrow....
Firstly, RKowen is a complete joke...and that's being kind. Secondly, he doesn't even mention WTC7, which is what the video from the above poster refers to. 2.25 seconds at freefall acceleration is proven beyond a doubt and even admitted to by NIST,
Please provide me a measurement of mass of the plane prior to crash and the mass of the recovered material....
originally posted by: waypastvne
You have what could be called a very basic understanding of aerodynamics. Your understanding in not good enough for your opinion to be of any value.
SkepticOverlord : Nothing in those accounts is inconsistent with the sound of heavy steel structures failing under extreme stress. They heard what sounded like explosions. Lots of heavy steel failed. It makes a big boom when that happens. Logically, that's what they heard.
originally posted by: Korg Trinity
that still does not explain the entire plane vaporising....
originally posted by: waypastvne
I came across this article today concerning the wreckage of FLT 93, It appears the wreckage was stored for a wile at a small airport before being moved to iron mountain. A curator from the National Museum of American History took some photos wile collecting articles. Since the truth movement is fond of telling us there was no wreckage,, i thought I'd post the photos here.
americanhistory.si.edu...
One of the longest-lasting efforts was the quest for artifacts from Flight 93. After several years of discussions with company representatives and a myriad of attorneys, we finally gained access to the wreckage of the plane. When we arrived at the small airport where the material was stored, we found the airplane wreckage was in 20’ long ocean-going shipping containers. When the doors were opened we saw the debris was in amazingly small pieces. David worked the front of the piles while I climbed into the container, wriggling over the top of the pile, trying not to get cut by the sharp fragments of fuselage. In the near dark I looked for artifacts with a flashlight and fought back fears about what I might accidentally encounter. The wreckage smelled of jet fuel, moldy cloth, and other strange odors. This was not an assignment for anyone afraid of the dark. At the end of day, reeking of sweat and airplane wreckage, we threw away our work clothes before flying home.
Wreckage from Flight 93
Curator Peter Liebhold looking for artifacts to collect
Curator David Shayt with an object that is now part of the museum’s collections
Collecting often requires archival research. Bill and I spent many days going through thousands of photos maintained by the FBI. From crime scene images to haunting photos shot by participants who did not survive, the pictures put a human face on the September 11 attacks. Viewing the images made the experience far more personal. What I most desperately try to forget are things I saw in the photographs.
We were very driven yet remained respectful. We never directly contacted the relatives of someone killed—we always went through intermediaries so families could easily refuse our requests. Many of our conversations with participants and donors were hours long and often included a lot of crying—us included. It is difficult dealing with death and frankly none of us were prepared for the task. At times each one of us was ready to throw in the towel but the support and pressure of the others kept us going.
Like soldiers and their war stories, curators don’t often talk about the experience of collecting. I am proud of our efforts collecting artifacts related to September 11. It is an important piece of history and should be preserved.
Photos of some of the debris on display:
Part of the R in AIRLINES starboard side in front of exit.
For those truthers that want to tell us that FLT 93 was shot down at Shanksville then landed in Cleveland leaving no wreckage at Shanksville that was spread out over too large an area to be from a crash even though it didn't exist.... Ya we've herd it before, but it's still funny.