WTC-7 Mysteries FINALLY Solved.

a reply to: skyeagle409

You dismiss credible eyewitness who went on record because it doesn't fit your fantasy OS narrative.
This is what makes an OS a believer.

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: skyeagle409

No, you did not! I asked you to post the time lines in the WTC 1 and WTC 2 videos where demolition explosions can be heard and you failed to do so, which proved my point that no explosives of any kind was responsible for the demise of the WTC buildings.

I don't need to, the hard cold facts is eyewitness verify there were many explosions in ALL the WTC demolitions.

Or are you going to call them ALL lairs too?

Oh he will or find some Government disinfo that says the witnesses have been debunked.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Explain for us all, which elevators were blamed for the explosive-like sounds in the lobby. If you say; Elevator #6 and Elevator #7, then you will be correct and you can follow up here.

I do believe that elevators did explode when they fell. however it does not account to ALL the other explosions that credible eyewitness saw and heard.

a reply to: Informer1958

I don't need to, the hard cold facts is eyewitness verify there were many explosions in ALL the WTC demolitions.

Once again, you ignored that fact there are not explosions as the WTC buildings collapsed and you continue to overlook the rest of the story regarding the eyewitnesses. Here are more.

Dominick Derubbio

t was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion,

but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.


Craig Carlsen said that he and other firefighters “heard explosions coming from . . . the south tower

...there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was.

We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

a reply to: Informer1958

Believe it because that is what happened.

Elevators were disaster within disaster

Elevator shafts worked like chimneys, funneling unbearable smoke to floors above the crashes. The shafts also channeled burning jet fuel throughout both towers. Fire moved not only up and down but also side to side, from shaft to shaft, unleashing explosions in elevator lobbies and in restrooms next to the shafts.

usatoday30.usatoday.com...

a reply to: skyeagle409

Once again, you ignored that fact there are not explosions as the WTC buildings collapsed and you continue to overlook the rest of the story regarding the eyewitnesses. Here are more.

Once again you demonstrated that you are ignoring the facts and cherry picking your information to fit your OS fantasy narrative

It is right here in black and white.

Dominick Derubbio

t was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion,

EXPLOSIONS. Where is your proof that "everyone" on ground zero heard ONLY elevators falling?

a reply to: skyeagle409

Believe it because that is what happened.

Says you.

I believe the elevators fell and perhaps exploded. but it does not account for the rest of the eyewitness who went on record who saw and hears many explosions.

I rest my case.

originally posted by: waypastvne

And his next post :

Originally posted by: waypastvne.
==snip== My yellow line stops at the green marquee just as the yellow arrow does in this photo, but, it is pointed at the point where the corner of the building meets the ground. The angle in my photo is correct.

That angle is probably quite near to correct, regarding all the fault margins involved.

The real problem is, your G.Earth photo its position is NOT correctly named/indicated by you.
You did not give a link to your G.Earth screenshot its GSM or latitude-longitude data.
You however wrote that what we see in the video, was the intersection of Chambers St and Broadway, looking southwards,

waypastvne : It was filmed on Broadway looking south at the intersection of Chambers st.

And that typo put me firmly on the wrong leg, for a long time worth of work.

HOW did you decide it was filmed at that specific (wrong) intersection?
Because that's definitely NOT the intersection of Chambers St and Broadway in that video you posted, but it was indeed filmed from a northernly position near another intersection, somewhere near WTC-7, and yes, filming southwards, since the sun shines from the east (left in the video) to the west (right in the video). There at the right side, all buildings (The Cosmopolitan Hotel on the corner) are lit by the sunlight.

You seemed to be having no trouble finding the right corner of the right building on the right intersection to make a Google Earth screenshot from, so why did you put me on such a sightseeing tour of all of Broadway intersections, instead of those at West Broadway?

Lookin South at Chambers/W.Broadway.
This is where that video was really filmed, looking South at the intersection of Chambers St and West Broadway, while filming and looking down West Broadway, not Broadway, which is two blocks further east. The bottom right side building in these two picture below, and the same one in my following video screenshot under it, are definitely identical. The camera-man is filming to the right of the Cosmopolitan Hotel.
This is the first one : The second one is from GE.







The Google Earth screenshot that you used is thus NOT the intersection of Chambers St and Broadway.
I take it it's a typo by you, since it is in fact the intersection of Chambers Street and West Broadway :

When you have a look at a Google Earth screen of the Chambers St and West Broadway intersection, it is the intersection in the video you posted and which you used your G.Earth screenshot from above for, to put your 137.96 deg shadow = 11:01 a.m. yellow line in.
And since they both run there parallel to each other, your yellow sun's azimuth line is rightly placed and I was a few meters wrong. Because I did not have the right HD screenshot yet. I had to go on your grainy one as long as I did not understood that you made a typo.

I was put on the wrong foot by your "Broadway" typo, and really thought you went bonkers when you showed me that aerial screenshot of an, in my view based on your credentials, wrong intersection from Google Earth. At the Broadway/Chambers St intersection I couldn't find a building with those green marquees. Nor a Subway entrance...
And to top it off, you did use a G.Earth aerial screenshot from above, with North at the top, instead of South at the top, which would have been the same viewing direction as in the video, and our screenshots from it. You know you can rotate every view in Google Earth?

Some more Panoramio pictures of that intersection of W.Broadway and Chambers Street. None show the northern part of that intersection clearly enough :

COSMOPOLITAN Hotel!

Cosmopoliton Hotel, W/Broadway&Chambers St.

New York City, W Broadway, Chambers St.

Early morning at 95, West Broadway.

Chambers and West Broadway.


And a special 1995 one, with both WTC-7 and WTC-1N behind it, and you can see how close that cameraman was to both hi-risers. The Cosmopolitan Hotel is at the right side, and then it was only two blocks with modern hi-risers up to WTC-7 :
New York – Manhattan – W. Broadway - World Trade Center 1995 - New York – USA

a reply to: Informer1958

Dominick Derubbio

t was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion,

It is right here in black and white.

It is clearly apparent that you don't bother to read my post in detail, so once again, let's take a look at the rest of the story.

Dominick Derubbio

t was weird how it started to come down.

It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.

Question is, Why did you deliberately omit the rest of the story regarding Dominick Derubbio?

a reply to: Informer1958

I believe the elevators fell and perhaps exploded. but it does not account for the rest of the eyewitness who went on record who saw and hears many explosions.

I posted comments of others who attributed the sounds they heard to things that had nothing to do with explosives. I also noticed that you continue to side-step my challenge to you to list the time lines that portray sounds of demolition explosions in the WTC 2 and WTC 7 videos.

Be aware that your side-stepping is being noted.

BTW, check this out.

David Kravette

David Kravette, a managing director of Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond trading firm that occupied the upper floors of the North Tower and lost about 700 people, or more than two thirds of its 1,000 U.S.-based employees addressed what he saw in the lobby as the first plane hit. I have provided this quote from the Mercury News New York Bureau since it is the only reference I have seen to the free falling elevators and the fire ball at the lower levels of the tower.

“I saw a couple of elevators in free fall; you could hear them whizzing down and as they crashed, there was this huge explosion, like a fireball exploding out of the bank of elevators,” Kravette said. “People were engulfed in flames.”

www.engr.psu.edu...

Let's also have a look at two interesting comments from the video's 13 comments section :

1. John S. 4 Years ago.
The first clip was filmed at the pay phone at 66 Murray St, about 200 meters north of WTC 7.
The second clip was filmed at St Paul's Chapel, about 200 meters east of WTC 7.
The workers who are heard to say "keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down", were filmed walking north along West Broadway, approximately 200 meters north of WTC 7.

2. Firsty Laster. 5 Years ago.
Usually in a controlled demolition all the explosives are rigged to go off at once...
The towers were rigged for the explosions to be spaced apart to make it less obvious...
The explosions don't HAVE to all go off at the same time for the controlled demolition to work..
9/11 was an inside job..scary but true.

No mention anywhere of where the video was filmed that waypastvne used for his coupling of the gas explosion (west of Ground Zero) to that explosion sound at the start of that video section he posted, filmed from the intersection of Chambers and West Broadway (starting at 0:26, to 0:38).

Let's first see the video up loader's information:

Uploaded at Oct 23, 2008.
Various visual and audio recordings of explosion and rumble sounds in the vicinity of the WTC World Trade Center on 9/11 2001.
There are many testimonies of explosions, car bombs and incendiary devices used in and around the WTC on September 11th 2001.
Full credit to Xenomorph911 for his video 9/11: Audible explosions & rumbles.
High quality version available for download at :
www.megaupload.com...

Xenomorph911 became Xenomorph911WTC and is now Nathan Flach at You Tube. Interesting videos by him.

I tried the Internet Archive (WayBackMachine) : archive.org...
to get the high quality version back at the long defunct Megaupload site, that he gave a link to at the time of his video upload (Oct 23,2008), at that time available for download at :
www.megaupload.com... which resulted in this remark :

Hrm. Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived.

Thus, we have to work with the two grainy 480 pixels You Tube screenshots of that video, filmed from 5 blocks North of the 2001 WTC-7.
You took one, it's in my above post, in your by me quoted post, and I took the one below.
files.abovetopsecret.com...




The biggest problem however with this explosion-video coupled by waypastvne to his gas leak animated GIF + the additional seismic peak's start time of 11:01:07, is that all people in this video already look, or turn their head to look straight ahead SOUTHwards to WTC-7 just after that explosion sound.
NOT westwards (to the right) of them over Chambers St's west section, to the spot where that gas leak video was filmed towards the little shed in the center of that parking lot between these 4 streets :
North End Ave, Vesey St, West St and Murray St.
That mud parking was to the west of that intersection where this video was filmed.

When do you, waypastvne, post that link to the gas explosion video where you took those two screenshots from, and then made an animated gas explosion GIF from them?
I am very interested to view that video in its full length.

Someone could find it in this HUGE TV-news video depository at archive.org , or you can find a more complete version of this collection (3000 hours of television from 20 channels over 7 days) at Understanding 9/11: A Television News Archive : www.archive.org...

a reply to: skyeagle409

It is clearly apparent that you don't bother to read my post in detail, so once again, let's take a look at the rest of the story.

On the contrary you have not read any of my post in detail.

Dominick Derubbio

t was weird how it started to come down.

It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.

Because he was giving his "opinion" and we know the Pancake theory was debunked long time ago. He said and I will quote it"

but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other"

I GUESS? Is this a scientific fact? I guess?

a reply to: Informer1958

Because he was giving his "opinion" and we know the Pancake theory was debunked long time ago. He said and I will quote it"

Let me quote him once again.

"It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other."

It is very clear that he is not declaring the sound he heard was from a bomb.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I posted comments of others who attributed the sounds they heard to things that had nothing to do with explosives. I also noticed that you continue to side-step my challenge to you to list the time lines that portray sounds of demolition explosions in the WTC 2 and WTC 7 videos.

Be aware that your side-stepping is being noted.

Stop right there. The fact is if any one has been SIDE STEPPING it is you.

Stop cherry picking what you want the ATS casual reader to believe, your kicking a dead horse.

a reply to: skyeagle409

"It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other."

It is very clear that he is not declaring the sound he heard was from bomb.

Apparently he doesn't know what he heard he said he GUESS?

Is guess a scientific fact?

a reply to: Informer1958

top right there. The fact is if any one has been SIDE STEPPING it is you.

I am not the person side-stepping, because I have repeatedly asked you to point on the time line for demolition explosions in these videos, and I am still waiting for you to identify those time lines.





No demolition explosions seen or heard as they collapse translates into firm evidence that no explosive of any kind were used. It is that simple!

a reply to: Informer1958

It is very clear that he is not declaring the sound he heard was from bomb.

That is incorrect because he says:

...but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other."

how people still deny that these buildings were brought down amazes me, it truly does.

Never has a fire made a building collapse at almost freefall speed ever....yet on sept 11 THREE building collapsed at almost freefall speed only after burning for a couple of hours.

people seriously need to clue up on newtons law...for reals

www.physicsclassroom.com...

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: skyeagle409

""Explain for us all, which elevators were blamed for the explosive-like sounds in the lobby. If you say; Elevator #6 and Elevator #7, then you will be correct and you can follow up here.""

I do believe that elevators did explode when they fell. however it does not account to ALL the other explosions that credible eyewitness saw and heard.

Look up Arthuro Griffith, who was trapped in the Freight elevator #6 or #7, the only ones going from the 110th floor to the 5th basement floor, per WTC-tower. His elevator was stuck in its shaft, so how could any explosive jet fuel mixture pass him, exploded in the 5th basement shaft end, and MIRACULOUSLY spared him.?
The OS Trusters grab every available straw to disturb the flow of real facts discussions.
The other freight elevator in the other tower was also stuck and filled with people...

It's the third time now that I post this TREASURE TROVE regarding WTC explosions.! :

Take your time now, to READ carefully these 4 pages :
The Basement Explosions (authors : NK-44 + chopoz)
Especially this post about the two still standing huge thick steel core columns "spires" , and how they failed too in the few last seconds of each Twin Tower collapse sequence.

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