Homophobes - ye be hypocrites

Weeks ago the world was ablaze with talk about "gays" after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges that state level bans on same-sex marriage to was unconstitutional and in the process legalized same-sex marriage. On ATS alone we saw dozens of threads on the topic. The media became saturated with discussions about it and, let's be honest, it became a bit tiresome.

While the majority of people rejoiced, it also gave the (handful of) homophobes the opportunity to be very depressed and to preach about the evils of homosexuality. We heard stuff like:

"It Is Not Marriage. Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses."

"It Violates Natural Law. Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality."

"It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother. It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother.Same-sex marriage ignores a child’s best interests."

"Same-sex marriage turns a moral wrong into a Civil Right."

"Same-sex marriage doesn't create a family but a naturally sterile union"

"Homosexual marriage will devalue your marriage."

"Same-sex marriage offends God - Random quoted Bible verse here."

And so on. You know the arguments...

So, let's fast forward to this week...

Identities now revealed in Ashley Madison hack

The odds were 37 million to 1, but a Massachusetts man is the first unlucky person to be publicly identified in connection with the recent hack on the popular online adultery site Ashley Madison, whose slogan is, “Life is short. Have an affair.”

According to the Enterprise in Brockton, Massachusetts, the local resident’s name, profile ID, home address, email address and a “list of fantasies” were included in a manifesto message as an example of the information hackers had learned.
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The security breach at Ashley Madison – which even Wednesday was boasting “Over 37,890,000 anonymous members!” – was first reported late Sunday by Brian Krebs of KrebsonSecurity, a website focusing on cyber security.

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In case you missed it, let's just repeat it - 37 890 000 people on a website dedicated to "casual encounters, married dating, discreet encounters and extramarital affairs". And that's just one of several websites and apps that exists for the sole purpose of cheating on their wives, husbands, boyfriends, girlfriends or just casual sex...

Now let's take a quick glance at same-sex marriage numbers (not a lot of up-to-date statistics are available):
By June 26, 2013 there were 71,165 same-sex marriages in the US (Source). 400,000 reported according to 2015 figures.
In 2013 726,600 same-sex households were reported by Census. And a total of about 9 million homosexual people in the US...

How exactly does that compare to the nearly 38 million people willing to cheat on their partners? Let's pretend that only Americans are Ashley Madison members and that all 9 million homosexual people are on Ashley Madison. And let's pretend that half of those that are left are single. That leaves 14.5 million straight folks willing to be unfaithful.

So my question to those that love to cry about same-sex marriages or homosexuals in general:
Why are you so quiet? Why are you not condemning all these people for "destroying family values"? Why are you not pointing at them; telling them how they are destroying the true meaning of marriage? Why are you not quoting dozens Bible verses and telling them what an abomination they are and how they are going to burn in hell? Why not just quote the Ten Commandments - "Thou shalt not commit adultery"? Shouldn't you be even angrier with adulterers seeing that homosexuality isn't even mentioned in the 10 Commandments? Where are the dozens of threads on ATS discussing this issue? From what you've been saying this should be eating away at you because it is destroying society's moral fiber...?

Do a quick search on ATS about the topic, and you'll find that it is awfully quiet in the room. I'm sure they don't approve of the behavior of those on Ashley Madison, but they're not nearly as verbal about their disapproval of adulterers as they are about homosexuality. And if you look at the numbers, infidelity is a much bigger "problem" than homosexuality...

Yes, all those judging homosexuals and crying over same-sex marriage - you are hypocrites.

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the bible says we should have slaves.
We got rid of slavery and god has not thrown a temper tantrum about it yet.
Maybe we should give this all knowing all seeing being the benefit of the doubt and not just assume he's as bigoted as some of his followers.

I think at this point the "fight" is over.
Just remember if you don't like same sex marriage, try really hard not to marry someone that has the same tools as you and you should be fine.

The hypocrisy you talk about, however, will always exist, in some form or another.
intolerance never vanishes, it just takes on a different form

I was waiting for someone to say something about this.

Marriage is only as sacred as you are willing to make it as a couple.

Something like 23 million people had accounts on Ashley Madison. 23 million people.

That doesn't even account for the amount of people seeking extramarital affairs without the use of sites like Ashley Madison. The fact is, very few people ACTUALLY value marriage as a spiritual union.

a reply to: Gemwolf
Because putting Adultery in the spotlight hits Americans where they live. Cheating on your spouse is an American past time, and has been one of the "best kept secrets" of the church for centuries. It's so easy to divert attention to the gays.

If it's between 2 consenting adults, I don't care who you have sex with or marry. But...If you do get married, unless it's agreed upon by both parties, sex outside the marriage is wrong. Period. You promised to love, honor and cherish that person and running around screwing everything in sight is not fulfilling that promise. Before you have that one night stand, think how you would feel if the shoe was on the other foot. If you're not getting what you want at home, let your partner know and try to work it out. If that doesn't fix it, get a divorce. Then you can go sleep with whoever you like.

a reply to: Gemwolf

As a Christian, I find this double standard absolutely, and depressingly predictable. There are many reasons which play into my choice to remove myself from organised congregational worship, and one of those reasons is hypocrisy of this very sort.

My personal view, is that there is no reason for a Christian to be outraged at anyone, because it is not given to us to judge our fellow man and damn them. Furthermore, discriminating against homosexuals is not a Christian thing to do. Christ was not known for ostracising people. We should all be walking in his footsteps, not looking to abuse others in direct contravention of his edicts. That is not our right as flawed, mortal people. What I would say, is that this Ashley Madison site, more specifically, the size of its member base, speaks volumes about the double standards employed by certain people where the homosexuality issue is concerned.

Frankly, I find the whole sorry business appalling.

Forgive us for not stating the obvious. Does the lack of anti-porn threads make us hypocrites as well?

Personally I think you're just trying to encourage more "anti-sin" threads so you have something to reference when you claim we're trying to establish a theocracy.

a reply to: Gemwolf

HA! Great rant. Well said mate! Hypocrisy abounds and it really does show that this whole issue was really centered around homophobia and marriage was just the PC way of going about it.

ETA: I would like to say that I don't think that ALL the people expressing their disapproval of gay marriage are homophobes though. I think many are just conservative parrots repeating whatever the right wing media tells them to repeat. Though the rate of homophobia is probably also high as well.

a reply to: DAVID64

For sh!ts and giggles, I created a profile on Ashley Madison and found that a large portion of the women on there are looking for someone to join in with her and her husband or someone to have sex with while her husband watches. Its actually less about cheating and more about swinging.

a reply to: Gemwolf



Great OP, Star and Flag!!

Edit - In fact it was that good IMO, that you can have a cookie as well

a reply to: Bone75

Swinging is something which happens between consenting members of large brass bands, jazz collectives, and Glen Miller fan clubs. It has its problems, but none of them are solved on the internet!

A phobia is a phobia, if you are actually talking about a phobia, it isn't an opinion.

Just because a percentage of heterosexual couples are known for being lapse in their marriage vows doesn't make those phobic /afraid /of /disgusted by homosexuality ''hypocrites''.

It's a bit like calling a person suffering arachnophobia a ''hypocrite'' because cats are sometimes naughty.

Really?
Really?
Was there that much angst amongst the ats community as you suggest, you are not just blowing it out of proportions to make a big deal out of it?

Lying is a sin, so is homosexuality

Meh, same same but different.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Lets call it HETROSEXISM then, means the same and would stop all the talk about Bigots not being afraid of Homosexuals!!

Heterosexism refers to a system of negative attitudes, bias, and discrimination in favour of opposite-sex sexual orientation and relationships.[101] p. 13 It can include the presumption that everyone is heterosexual or that opposite-sex attractions and relationships are the only norm[102] and therefore superior.

So the title of this thread would read "Hetrosexist - ye be hypocrites but the remaining OP would still be as valid!

I stopped by the Ashley Madison threads and said they got what was coming to them, and I had my nose thoroughly whacked by rolled up newspaper same as in the gay marriage threads.

I have a solid, strong marriage.

So I'll thank you to take your accusation back. Adultery is destructive no matter who engages in it. I'm sure the gays will discover the same.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
A phobia is a phobia, if you are actually talking about a phobia, it isn't an opinion.

Just because a percentage of heterosexual couples are known for being lapse in their marriage vows doesn't make those phobic /afraid /of /disgusted by homosexuality ''hypocrites''.

It's a bit like calling a person suffering arachnophobia a ''hypocrite'' because cats are sometimes naughty.

Adultery, as I have heard Christians scream; is a sin. But there is very little backlash when someone commits this "sin"

Gay marriage, as I have heard Christians scream; is a sin. Most have gone ballistic over this and feel its their god given right to bash gay people in person / on TV / in news papers / on forums such as this.

90% of the people on here who will scream being gay is a sin also spout the same line "God has a plan" or "God knows all" OR THE BEST "God forgives".

If any of this is true then your god will:

1. Have planned for some of his children to be gay
2. Knows who is gay and who is not
3. Is ok with that, because he planned it and is happy with them.

For the bible bashers on here. God is justice. He/she/it decides whos been naughty and whos been nice so leave others alone you self righteous bunch

a reply to: Gemwolf

What is this endless fascination with pointing out hypocrisy every minute of every day? It's no longer clever or necessary. Enough already. Some people don't like homosexuality. Get over it and move on with your life ffs.

a reply to: Gemwolf

Even after the gay marriage ruling it seems some people get what they want but STILL aren't happy.

Just GET ON WITH LIFE without having to seek constant justification and acceptance and stop relishing in feeding persecution, something gays have sought to avoid for so long. Why do you need those things so badly? Would the acceptance en-masse of something so blatantly unnatural help? Forced ignorance is impossible on that scale. It is HYPOCRYTICAL.

ps..a "phobia" is a fear of something. Not agreeing with something does not constitute a phobia. That's ignorant.

a reply to: flammadraco

I am heterosexual and I am not a hypocrite.

I also recognise that heterosexuality is the norm, that is a fact.

I don't hate homosexual people though I have known of sufficient debauchery from it that is far beyond heterosexual open marriages, that doesn't make me ''homophobic''.

Applying labels to people because they recognise certain practices are not the norm or a tirade of abuse towards those that think of it as something that requires psychological intervention or however they think of it is just as small minded and hypocritical as those that want everyone believing in their opinions and none others.

Try backing off and realising that your opinion isn't the only opinion and others are 100% entitled to their own opinions.