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There is disagreement among religious scholars and Sufis themselves about the origins of Sufism. The traditional view is that Sufism is the mystical school of Islam and had its beginnings in the first centuries following the life of the Prophet Mohammad. Indeed, most Sufis in the world today are Muslim and many of them would consider a non-Islamic Sufism impossible.
There is another view, however, that traces the pre-Islamic roots of Sufism back through the early Christian mystics of Syria and Egypt, to the Essenes, the ancient Pythagorean orders, and the mystery schools of the Egyptians and Zoroastrians, among others. It is these roots that gathered into the trunk known as Islamic Sufism.
Sufi Inayat Khan recognized the multi-religious roots of Sufism as well as its contemporary relevance for people of all faiths. When he was instructed by his teacher in 1907 to bring Sufism to the West, he articulated a "message of spiritual liberty" which reflects the universal, inclusive nature of Sufism. As he noted:
"Every age of the world has seen awakened souls, and as it is impossible to limit wisdom to any one period or place, so it is impossible to date the origin of Sufism."
originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Willtell
I have read about 25% of the Hadith. Whichever one I downloaded, I knkw their are several versions. Everything positive in the Hadith can also be found in the Koran.
I see the Hadith as a Zionist tool similar to the Talmud. They both teach opposing views to the Holy Spirit.
originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Willtell
I have read about 25% of the Hadith. Whichever one I downloaded, I knkw their are several versions. Everything positive in the Hadith can also be found in the Koran.
I see the Hadith as a Zionist tool similar to the Talmud. They both teach opposing views to the Holy Spirit.
originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: FyreByrd
Well look up Christian stuff and you'll get a variety of answers because Christians don't agree on their own religion.
Googling Islam/Muslim might give you some basic surface understanding but, that's about it.
1- The Role of the Holy Spirit in Islam:
There are two roles that the Holy Spirit is responsible for according to Islam:
1- It creates our "spirits." Allah Almighty uses it to blow into our mothers' wombs our human-spirits. That is why abortion is prohibited in Islam, because the fetus or foetus does have spirit (life) and it is a human being. It's not just a little piece of unliving flesh:
"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (The Noble Quran, 32:9)"
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him. (The Noble Quran, 38:72)"
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him. (The Noble Quran, 15:29)"
"And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples. (The Noble Quran, 21:91)"
"And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our Spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants). (The Noble Quran, 66:12)" ]
www.answering-christianity.com...
Surah 5:46 and the Evangel
46. In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of
Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded
him; and We gave him the Evangel(Holy Spirit), where-in is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous.
originally posted by: Kapusta
originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Willtell
Without Hadith Muslims would not know how to pray ...
The Holy Spirit mentioned in the above verse refers to the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel), also known as Jibraaeel; he is the message-bearer par excellence from Allah, the Lord of Glory and Grace; he is also the conduit of divine support and assistance bestowed on Prophets, Messengers as well as righteous people who strive in the path of Allah.
1. Thus we read in the Qur’an that the Prophets (peace be upon them all) are chosen by Allah by sending down the Holy Spirit with the revelations: “He sends down the Spirit from His command, upon those of His servants He chooses, in order to warn people of the Day of Meeting.” (Ghafir: 15)
2. We also read in the Qur’an that it (the Qur’an) was sent down upon the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) through the medium of Holy Spirit: “Say: The Holy Spirit brought it down from your Lord with the truth, to strengthen those who believe, and as a guidance and good tidings to the Muslims.” (An-Nahl: 102)
"And your Lord, He is indeed the August, the Compassionate. And it is a sending down from the Lord of the Worlds, brought down by the Trustworthy Spirit, upon your heart, that you may be one of the warners, in Arabic speech.” (Ash-Shu`ara': 191-195)
3. It is in the same spirit that we read in the Qur’an that the Holy Spirit was sent down to strengthen Jesus and assist him in his work:
“We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear signs, and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit…” (Al-Baqarah: 253)
“Then Allah will say, O Jesus son of Mary! Remember My favor upon you and upon your mother; how I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit…” (Al-Ma'idah: 110)
4. Furthermore, we read in the Prophetic traditions: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Verily, the Holy Spirit has cast this idea in my heart: No soul shall die before its appointed time and without having exhausted the means of livelihood apportioned for it, so try to look for a livelihood as best as you can, but don’t seek it through unlawful means.” (Reported by Abu Nu`aym in Hilyah)
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed to Allah to strengthen the famous poet Hassan ibn Thabit with the Holy Spirit in composing poems in defense of Islam: “O Allah! Strengthen him with the Holy Spirit.” (Reported by al-Bukhari)
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) later on said about Hassan: “Verily Allah, the Glorious and Mighty, is strengthening Hassan with the Holy Spirit.” (Reported by at-Tirmidhi and Ahmad) “The Holy Spirit is with Hassan in his work!” (Reported by Abu Dawud)
It should be clear from the above that the Holy Spirit is the Angel Jibreel sent by Allah to assist His chosen servants in their divinely ordained missions."
originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: FyreByrd
alright your trying to refute me with facts from a website that has taken facts from other sufi websites?
The original sense of Ṣūfī seems to have been “one who wears wool (ṣūf ).” In the eighth century the word was sometimes being applied to Muslims whose ascetic inclinations led them to wear coarse and uncomfortable woolen garments.
References and Sources
Sufism - Encyclopaedia Britannica
The Whirling Dervishes of Rumi
An American Sufi website
An academic website on Sufism
Related Links
Konya, Turkey (center of the Whirling Dervishes sect) - Sacred Destinations
As Muhammad (blessed be his name) died in the early Seventh Century therefore the Eighth Century origins of the the mystical side of Islam (Sufi) is hardly a new innovation.
I am sorry you find this offensive.
Rafi Faridi Sufism is the based on pantheism.pantheism is oposite of Tawheed and it is badest shirk.
11. And when it is said to them, “Do not
make trouble on earth,” they say, “We are
only reformers.”
12. In fact, they are the troublemakers, but
they are not aware.
originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: LittleByLittle
I take a firm stance on this because it's a serious matter , But In no way am I calling any follower of these sects Kufar (disbelievers) because only Allah knows what's in the heart of men , nobody here can make such a judgement ,unless they show obvious signs .
originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: FyreByrd
As Muhammad (blessed be his name) died in the early Seventh Century therefore the Eighth Century origins of the the mystical side of Islam (Sufi) is hardly a new innovation.
I am sorry you find this offensive.
are you listening to what you are saying ?
you are talking about something being created AFTER prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
Sunnie the sunna ! is what He him self followed and the Shahaba /salaf ...