Press Banned from Jade Helm Exercises

originally posted by: intrptr
Thanks teacher, I have enough "home" work.

Ah. Can't be bothered with actual data, when there's so many CT sites to believe. I understand.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878- oddly, we have a forum named that here.
Source

"Advisory and support roles
Federal military personnel have a long history of domestic roles, including the occupation of sessionist Southern states during Reconstruction. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military personnel to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to domestic law enforcement"

a reply to: reldra

See anything there about training in the US?

Or about defense of the country on its own soil?

No? There you go.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Bedlam
I have only found RAVEN to be a special ops group that has not operated on US soil. It began as support in Vietnam ans Laos. There is no specific Operation Raven I can find.

If I recall correctly OP Raven was training for covert ops in Cambodia.It was started in the US and the group moved to Laos to be deployed secretly into Cambodia.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Krazysh0t
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878- oddly, we have a forum named that here.
Source

"Advisory and support roles
Federal military personnel have a long history of domestic roles, including the occupation of sessionist Southern states during Reconstruction. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military personnel to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to domestic law enforcement"

That is a bill and not in the Constitution, but ok it's a fair point. Good thing this is a training exercise where ALL state participants agreed to letting the military conduct the training there and the military isn't being used to police anything there.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Bedlam
I have only found RAVEN to be a special ops group that has not operated on US soil. It began as support in Vietnam ans Laos. There is no specific Operation Raven I can find.

If I recall correctly OP Raven was training for covert ops in Cambodia.It was started in the US and the group moved to Laos to be deployed secretly into Cambodia.

Bedlam was asking if RAVEN caused a problem or if I even knew it was going on. I tried to find it operating on civilian US soil. I couldn't. I found what you recall.

a reply to: reldra
As the War of Succession was just fought

including the occupation of sessionist Southern states during Reconstruction.

And the only time that this has been used. Remember why ? And the Constitutional reason ?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh, do go on with your longer and longer posts with legal jargon justifying military sweeps and occupations.

Here, I'll just show some images from the Land of Slippery Slope…

Louder than words…

These people were protesting...

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Bedlam
I have only found RAVEN to be a special ops group that has not operated on US soil. It began as support in Vietnam ans Laos. There is no specific Operation Raven I can find.

If I recall correctly OP Raven was training for covert ops in Cambodia.It was started in the US and the group moved to Laos to be deployed secretly into Cambodia.

They recycle names all the time.

RAVEN was a 10 day "realistic training" that ran all over the gulf coast and featured MARSOC as the primary teams. Not entirely unlike JH15. MARSOC will also be in JH15. But a lot of times they have separate exercises.

I might add that RAVEN runs all the live long day. You get a number of RAVEN runs every year. Parts of it are on base. Parts are not.

eta: they also employ civilian groups as well as a lot of non-Marine SOC. I'm surprised you guys aren't aware of it. Don't tell me you haven't heard of RAVEN. You see adverts for civilian hires out on Indeed.com, for God's sake. Is this an ATS scoop?

linky!

a reply to: intrptr

So you are comparing police operations conducted after a domestic terrorist attack and a race riot to a military training operation? Yea...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Krazysh0t
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878- oddly, we have a forum named that here.
Source

"Advisory and support roles
Federal military personnel have a long history of domestic roles, including the occupation of sessionist Southern states during Reconstruction. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military personnel to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to domestic law enforcement"

That is a bill and not in the Constitution, but ok it's a fair point. Good thing this is a training exercise where ALL state participants agreed to letting the military conduct the training there and the military isn't being used to police anything there.

That is why I quoted the disagreement that surrounds the definition of advisory and support roles in this Act, which is federal Law. It is partially meant to highlight that the military should not be operating outside of military bases in a non emergency situation. The Governor of Texas is having the Texas State Guard monitor Jade helm activities there. He is concerned. But somehow it is just 'stupid' to be so or want a journalist to observe.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: intrptr
Thanks teacher, I have enough "home" work.

Ah. Can't be bothered with actual data, when there's so many CT sites to believe. I understand.

Sending people on data searches to get them out of the discussion, I get that tactic.

Jade Helm 15 is gong to be this game played by the military and the civilian population. If it has not changed , apparently the military personnel participating will be sort of under cover. The civilian population will be trying to "spot" those military personnel and report anything unusual to the local authorities . Sort of a "wheres Waldo" or "hide and seek"

originally posted by: Gothmog
Jade Helm 15 is gong to be this game played by the military and the civilian population. If it has not changed , apparently the military personnel participating will be sort of under cover. The civilian population will be trying to "spot" those military personnel and report anything unusual to the local authorities . Sort of a "wheres Waldo" or "hide and seek"

No. The population as a whole was not told to do this. In fact, the short fact sheet given to the public stated that most of this would happen at night ant to 'not be alarmed' by loud noises, loud vehicles, unusual activity. Telling them to 'not be alarmed' is NOT telling them to 'report suspicious activity'. You are making this stuff up as you go along.

a reply to: reldra

It is stupid. These training exercises happen all the time. There was an even BIGGER training operation that occurred in the EXACT same spots in the early 2000's, but we didn't hear a PEEP about it in the media. Probably because we had a Republican in office when it happened.

Why is it that you guys question this account? There are FORMER military in this very thread telling you how this crap works and you are just blowing it off to talk about some silly idea about encroaching martial law.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrptr

So you are comparing police operations conducted after a domestic terrorist attack and a race riot to a military training operation? Yea…

They can't let the press witness the, as you call it, "police" training because they practice locking down and sweeping towns and neighborhoods, just like in Boston Bomber. That would reveal too much. Their whole focus is to train for what happened in Ferguson and Boston Bomber, this organization is a direct result of those scenarios, specifically.

I got news for you, the press won't be allowed to film the next one, either. They aren't even letting them witness the "exercise".

The real thing

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Gothmog
Jade Helm 15 is gong to be this game played by the military and the civilian population. If it has not changed , apparently the military personnel participating will be sort of under cover. The civilian population will be trying to "spot" those military personnel and report anything unusual to the local authorities . Sort of a "wheres Waldo" or "hide and seek"

No. The population as a whole was not told to do this. In fact, the short fact sheet given to the public stated that most of this would happen at night ant to 'not be alarmed' by loud noises, loud vehicles, unusual activity. Telling them to 'not be alarmed' is NOT telling them to 'report suspicious activity'. You are making this stuff up as you go along.

Uh , no I am not making this up. Most civilian authorities in those regions have already been briefed. Shame most people only take a very small part of the entire scene, blow it out of proportion to where they can "Cry Wolf". Hmm , maybe the military should change the name to OP Cry Wolf....peace.

Lets face the facts. Every military personnel has to swear the Military Oath to protect one thing. Know what that is ? Any act , order , or person that goes against this is , in the eyes of the military , an enemy as defined by that oath. Any order given unlawfully for a "takeover" of the US would violate the one thing that they are sworn to protect. Thus the order would be considered "null and void" and the person issuing that order would be arrested and tried for treason in a military court of law. Not even the President is above this action.So , be at ease.

I think the whole Jade Helm thing is strange and I am giving some thought to the conspiracies surrounding it.

However, if this is military training as is supposed to be and on the up and up as stated, then why would anyone want our enemies to know how we fight? How we train, etc...? why would they allow the media to observe then blast it all over the television and internet for our enemies to see?

I recall years ago that Geraldo was shut down because he was giving our strategies away on live television. It is just not a very smart thing to do. I don't trust this administration, not one iota, but these are our men and woman, they fight for us. At least they have so far.

I have not gone through the entire thread yet, has anyone who is participating in this exercise had anything to say about it? Good or bad?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: reldra

It is stupid. These training exercises happen all the time. There was an even BIGGER training operation that occurred in the EXACT same spots in the early 2000's, but we didn't hear a PEEP about it in the media. Probably because we had a Republican in office when it happened.

Why is it that you guys question this account? There are FORMER military in this very thread telling you how this crap works and you are just blowing it off to talk about some silly idea about encroaching martial law.

It is not some silly idea. I am taken aback by vehement reaction from you and a couple others on a website that is often concerned with law enforcement, non transparency of the government, etc. I get words like 'silly' and 'stupid'.
I don't understand why the political affiliation of the President matters here. Most websites focusing on this are right wing. The MSM has spent very little time on this. They have paid attention today due to the media ban and rightly so.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Gothmog
Jade Helm 15 is gong to be this game played by the military and the civilian population. If it has not changed , apparently the military personnel participating will be sort of under cover. The civilian population will be trying to "spot" those military personnel and report anything unusual to the local authorities . Sort of a "wheres Waldo" or "hide and seek"

No. The population as a whole was not told to do this. In fact, the short fact sheet given to the public stated that most of this would happen at night ant to 'not be alarmed' by loud noises, loud vehicles, unusual activity. Telling them to 'not be alarmed' is NOT telling them to 'report suspicious activity'. You are making this stuff up as you go along.

Uh , no I am not making this up. Most civilian authorities in those regions have already been briefed. Shame most people only take a very small part of the entire scene, blow it out of proportion to where they can "Cry Wolf". Hmm , maybe the military should change the name to OP Cry Wolf....peace.

'Cry wolf'? That is a term where someone repeatedly says a wolf is there and there is not, so the day there is, they aren't listened to. Now the entire name of my OP should be changed? Wow. If you don't find this important, I don't understand why you have spent so much time on it. I happen to be concerned, so it makes sense, on my part.

I did not say they weren't briefed. I pointed out the fact sheet they were given.