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originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: reldra
Good, the press shouldn't be involved with watching military maneuvers. Especially ones involving the special forces. You know how annoying it is to conduct training while having to worry about reporting to some idiot reporter (especially one who may or may not twist your words into some stupid conspiracy)?
The military doesn't need to satisfy dumb conspiracy theorists' concerns. The military has a job to do, and the press would just impede them.
The newspaper wanted one journalist to observe. I think the people have a right to have some idea of what the military is doing on US soil, especially outside of military bases. There are conspiracy theories regarding this already all over the place. The ship sailed on that months ago. 'Idiot reporter' 'stupid conspiracy'?
Who says it's your business to look at it at all? Why do you feel that you have some unalienable right to news coverage of a military exercise?
originally posted by: reldra
You did not read the article I provided in the OP. "The military has granted access to Special Operations in the past, however. In one recent example, a journalist observed the operation Robin Sage in North Carolina, writing a profile for Our State, a magazine."
originally posted by: intrptr
What are they keeping so secret, the people don't have a right to know about it?
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Bedlam
Who says it's your business to look at it at all? Why do you feel that you have some unalienable right to news coverage of a military exercise?
What are they keeping so secret, the people don't have a right to know about it?
After all the training is officially to prepare for Iraq and Afghanistan, but that training is already ongoing at military bases and in those countries.
When "training" leaves the base, goes domestic and is secret, thats when we need to know even more what they are preparing for.
Why do they have that right? Where is it enumerated in the Constitution that the people have the right to know what the military is doing?
originally posted by: Gothmog
The larger training Ops and the ones that the military deems needs to be kept under wraps are not even spoken about to the public beforehand. That is what is strange in this case. And if you read about Jade Helm it seems almost a game of hide in plain sight and seek.
Between July 21 and Aug. 1, approximately 100 of these students will participate in this exercise before graduating the course and moving on to their first assignments in the Army's Special Forces community. Robin Sage is a two-week exercise run eight times a year, once for each class of Special Forces candidates.
originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Bedlam I was replying to gothmog. he stated there was no press at Robin Sage and there certainly was. The other he referred to is a military training center, meant for military training.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: intrptr
What are they keeping so secret, the people don't have a right to know about it?
Pretty much everything, you want to get down to it.
eta: they SAY that, but a lot of this is NORTHCOM/SOCNORTH integration exercises. I, for one, am happy that they're finally addressing a huge, open, bleeding, festering, godawful hole in our national security plans, even if only tangentially, and I suspect that what they find here will be cause for a lot of changes and further, similar drills.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Why do they have that right? Where is it enumerated in the Constitution that the people have the right to know what the military is doing?
The constitution is clear on the distinction between civil and military use in "civilized" areas.
Standing armies that occupy civil areas for whatever reason are oppressive by their very nature.
Lockdowns, military style searches, road blocks, etc., oppress the people en masse, and we know they are going to use this to get one or two guys just like they did in Boston.
Pretty soon, they will be used to replace the civil authorities, going after criminals, searching for "shooters".
Open the flood gates to permanent military style occupation in extended operations to find one or two guns or one or two guys that stole a car from some bureaucrat.
Thats what the framers warned about and set u the bill of rights for.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.[5]
Freedom of press, movement, gathering, arming, redress of grievances, search and seizure, occupation by soldiers, all lost once troops arrive.
originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Bedlam
I have only found RAVEN to be a special ops group that has not operated on US soil. It began as support in Vietnam ans Laos. There is no specific Operation Raven I can find.
originally posted by: Bedlam
a reply to: intrptr
You're going to need it. It's why we have a NORTHCOM and a SOCNORTH, partially, anyway.
Go look at their mission objectives. Why do they exist, and how do they fit 'posse comitatus'?