Kentucky clerk sued for not issuing gay-marriage licenses

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

That is not a gay issue.

The state has a non-discrimination law that applies to all businesses.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Government official vs private entity, really thats the same, face palm moment right there.

this woman isnt a gov "entity" shes a woman at a job practicing her right to conscience and religion , on a decision that she didnt get to vote on........

The only facepalms needed are for people like you who cant parse that

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

That is not a gay issue.

The state has a non-discrimination law that applies to all businesses.

Damn sure was a gay issue, was gay couples that did it, and claimed discrimination because of their sexual orientation!

How obtuse do you have to be to say it wasnt a gay issue when it was clearly A GAY CAKE! lol christ

a reply to: MrSpad

Thank you, I completely blanked on that one. I hope it doesn't escalate to the point it did in the 60s.

Frankly, this is just making the Conservatives look childish and immature. In 10 years people will look back shaking their heads.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

That is not a gay issue.

The state has a non-discrimination law that applies to all businesses.

Damn sure was a gay issue, was gay couples that did it, and claimed discrimination because of their sexual orientation!

How obtuse do you have to be to say it wasnt a gay issue when it was clearly A GAY CAKE! lol christ

No, it is not a gay issue. The baker violated a state anti-discrimination law.

They ordered a standard cake from her catalog.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Cough cough, where does the constitution say that a government employee has the right to discriminate against gays, is job is to give licenses and follow the law, thats about it.

Keep your beliefs outside of work, pretty simple.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

Perhaps you should try google as well. Suing people that break equality laws is not a violation of Constitution rights. If anyone is violating Constitution rights it is the business that refuses service due to the customers sexual preference. Religion only has two places in the persons home and in their place of worship other than that they should keep their religion to themselves.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Is he forced to keep that job?

Sorry that the rest of the country wants people to be treated equally.

If that interferes with her faith, the one that teaches that, then she can get a new job.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Oh wow again a government employee vs a private business, not that hard.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

That is not a gay issue.

The state has a non-discrimination law that applies to all businesses.

Damn sure was a gay issue, was gay couples that did it, and claimed discrimination because of their sexual orientation!

How obtuse do you have to be to say it wasnt a gay issue when it was clearly A GAY CAKE! lol christ

No, it is not a gay issue. The baker violated a state anti-discrimination law.

They ordered a standard cake from her catalog.

It was a gay issue, the couple felt it was against their closely held religious beliefs........had they not been gay, it wouldnt have been an issue.......

mental gymnastics as always Annee

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Is he forced to keep that job?

Sorry that the rest of the country wants people to be treated equally.

If that interferes with her faith, the one that teaches that, then she can get a new job.

No people with an agenda want to force OTHER people to accept their lifestyles ,thats not treating everyone equally...

Want to be treated equally, get gov out of marriage completely and you will have solved the issue

Again , im all for marrying who you want

What im NOT for is infringement of others rights just to justify your own......

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

That is not a gay issue.

The state has a non-discrimination law that applies to all businesses.

Damn sure was a gay issue, was gay couples that did it, and claimed discrimination because of their sexual orientation!

How obtuse do you have to be to say it wasnt a gay issue when it was clearly A GAY CAKE! lol christ

No, it is not a gay issue. The baker violated a state anti-discrimination law.

They ordered a standard cake from her catalog.

It was a gay issue, the couple felt it was against their closely held religious beliefs........had they not been gay, it wouldnt have been an issue.......

mental gymnastics as always Annee

And in EVERY legal challenge religion is not a valid reason to discriminate.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Government official vs private entity, really thats the same, face palm moment right there.

this woman isnt a gov "entity" shes a woman at a job practicing her right to conscience and religion , on a decision that she didnt get to vote on........

The only facepalms needed are for people like you who cant parse that

She the county clerk she is part of the government and is elected into office.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Last time I checked the pizza company closed their own doors, no one forced them to.

Try google to get the story straight on your examples.

And again, those were companies that were discriminating AGAINST gay people.

I asked for gay people discriminating against straight people and not offering services.

Since you brought up tolerance and all.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Can you point out where in the constitution thats says that a government employee can refuse to service someone because there fairy tales tell them its ok.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs?

1. NO ONE shut down a business, except the owner of said business.
2. The couple sued the business owner for failure to provide them the same services that they provide for others. That's not "shutting them down", that's exercising a right we all have.
3. Baking the cake is not against their religious beliefs.

Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

OMG! You really should know the story before you bring it up. NO ONE tried to shut down a pizza joint. The pizza joint came forward and said that IF a gay couple wanted service, they would refuse, and the PEOPLE stopped going there. They brought it on ENTIRELY themselves.

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

You'd be dead wrong.

Try google

Right back atcha! LOL!

abcnews.go.com...

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Then it sounds like the marriage business isn't for you, or for anyone else that wants to twist the words of the man they follow.

Turning love and acceptance just the opposite.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

No people with an agenda want to force OTHER people to accept their lifestyles ,thats not treating everyone equally...

You mean like the way some religious people like this clerk that wants to force others to accept her lifestyle? Just because she didn't like the decision that was handed down by the court now she refuses to do her job.

What im NOT for is infringement of others rights just to justify your own.

But you think it's ok for others like religious people to use their beliefs to infringe on the rights of others.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

That is not a gay issue.

The state has a non-discrimination law that applies to all businesses.

Damn sure was a gay issue, was gay couples that did it, and claimed discrimination because of their sexual orientation!

How obtuse do you have to be to say it wasnt a gay issue when it was clearly A GAY CAKE! lol christ

No, it is not a gay issue. The baker violated a state anti-discrimination law.

They ordered a standard cake from her catalog.

wait...this was for a standard cake from her own catalog?....so....how is she "forced into making a gay cake"??????.......one of the main reasons our country was founded in the first place, was to get rid of religious control over our daily lives....this is clearly forcing ones religious belief on others...talk about trying to impose themselves on others.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Do you have an example of gay person standing in the way of some ones civil rights?

That would be the context here.

You mean like shutting down businesses and getting the state involved to fine them hundreds of thousands of dollars because they didnt bake a cake because it was against their religious beliefs? Or trying to shut down a pizza joint?

Id say thats a violation of constitutional rights

Try google

That is not a gay issue.

The state has a non-discrimination law that applies to all businesses.

Damn sure was a gay issue, was gay couples that did it, and claimed discrimination because of their sexual orientation!

How obtuse do you have to be to say it wasnt a gay issue when it was clearly A GAY CAKE! lol christ

No, it is not a gay issue. The baker violated a state anti-discrimination law.

They ordered a standard cake from her catalog.

It was a gay issue, the couple felt it was against their closely held religious beliefs........had they not been gay, it wouldnt have been an issue.......

mental gymnastics as always Annee

If you open a business to serve the public, like the bakers did, then you have to serve the public. If you only want to serve only a portion of the public then you have to open a private bakery. Simple.