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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: 727Sky
I wondered when someone would quote this ass.
originally posted by: sammamishman
a reply to: crazyewok
Even if we don't, which I hope we do, I have faith in the UK's ability to field there own indigenous designed 6th or at the least 5.5 gen jet.
Hell, tech is so fluidic across the pond that half the kit in our 6th gen could be UK derived and vice versa.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: 727Sky
Pierre Sprey is an arrogant one trick pony. I wouldn't trust him to tell me the sky is blue. His entire repertoire is "Buy an F-16, it will do everything". He thinks that since he was in on the Viper design, he's some genius that can build an unbeatable air force, just by buying more F-16s.
That's almost funny. Going by what the head of Dassault, who makes their own fighter designs, and other manufacturers, is laughable.
originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: TrueBrit
True, but I keep seeing these reports on how the F-35 is a terrible dog fighter.
Im not denying the F-35 has its uses and roles it will excel in that no other plan can.
But some of the air to air combat reports seem mediocre.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: buddah6
That trend is reversing. The more mature the technology gets the more it reverses. The B-2 was lucky to hit 70% for a month, while the F-22 is over 80% most of the time.[/quote
My point was that Russian and Chinese designs are advanced but made in small numbers and are not well maintained as would western aircraft.
I was thinking about aircraft like the Blackjack bomber. The Russians ordered 600 but due to austere finances they got 16. The plane is expensive to fly so crews train very little. The aircraft has a minimally trained crew and only 16 bombers doesn't make it a valid threat. The same can be said about several advanced fighter types.
originally posted by: Greathouse
The f- 35 was never designed to be in a dogfight . Just like Truebrit said it's designed to blow the other aircraft up before they even know it's around .
originally posted by: Greathouse
One other thing you left out when you brought up the US is airfleet of F 22's and F-16s . If needed will be right there with you and you damn well know it . Only time we haven't had your back was the Falklands because we knew you could handle it. If you guys would've got your ass kicked down there we would have come to the rescue again .
originally posted by: Greathouse
The age of the dog fight is over as of World War II. The P 40 was slow couldn't turn as faster zero and couldn't climb as fast. It was a vastly inferior fighter versus the Japanese zero . Claire Lee Chennault made up for all of that with one word tatics.
originally posted by: Danke
a reply to: crazyewok
If people are so ignorant that they can't understand the F35 won't be dogfighting, then they don't deserve to fly it.
Seriously, look at what technology has given us over the last 20 years. We went from the stone age, to having super computers in our pockets.
I choose future high technology vs old school dog fighting maneuverability any day.
Have fun living in the past.
originally posted by: Danke
a reply to: crazyewok
I didn't miss your point. I just think you are making a big deal out of something that isn't. The UK basically has the entire US army at it's back if anything were to really go down anyways.
originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: crazyewok
I can see your points. But believe me if things really started to heat up the equipment gates would be open to Britain. Just like lend lease during World War II if we had it you would have it.
And the same goes for you guys for us if you had something we needed you would kindly handed over with a smile .
I assume you made a typo and meant the F-4 Phantom in Vietnam . Even after the 20 mm cannon was added to the F4 during Vietnam. The Mig 21 was still a superior dogfighter , so the US had different tactics than straight up dogfights .