How a crisis in Estonia could lead to World War III

a reply to: victor7

NOW that they are on the ropes SURE they whine.
I agree WE HAVE been acting poorly lately,it's quite disgusting to know what we has been done in SECRET as well.
BUT we are STILL the leader in humanitarian efforts when our 'leaders" aren't theiving or lying to us.
WHY else do kids RUN TO US and western troops and RUN FROM eastern forces?
Perhaps to you IT IS evil logic,it doesn't change that fact.
We learned our warfare from our enemies as well,there is ONLY WINNING when we take the field. IN THAT I am am proud that we can.
THAT is terrifying to think about as our opponents,MOTIVATED free thinkng men GIVING all to get that job done AND IT should be.
War is a COLD buisiness.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

2 million Rawandian people died before Clinton intervened via UN.

1 million North Koreans died due to a) stoppage of Russian subsidies b) famine happening c) US telling nations to NOT give aid to Commie nations or get into US black books.

1-2 million plus Iraqis died in 1990s due to US sanctions, just because it wanted to remove Saddam from power. Upto half million died after 2003 attack on Iraq and resulting civil war.

US stopped Chinese and India firms from selling AIDS drug cocktail to African nations on cheap, due to some patent issue. How many millions perished as a result is not known. Not even a mention of such figures in media.

IN ALL THE ABOVE EXAMPLES, AS TO HOW MANY MILLIONS WERE INJURED, HURT, DISPLACED, LOST LIVELIHOODS ETC. SHOULD IN 5-10 MILLIONS ON EACH INSTANCE.

QUIT BEATING YOUR DRUMS ON HUMANITARIANISM.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: cavtrooper7

2 million Rawandian people died before Clinton intervened via UN.

1 million North Koreans died due to a) stoppage of Russian subsidies b) famine happening c) US telling nations to NOT give aid to Commie nations or get into US black books.

1-2 million plus Iraqis died in 1990s due to US sanctions, just because it wanted to remove Saddam from power. Upto half million died after 2003 attack on Iraq and resulting civil war.

US stopped Chinese and India firms from selling AIDS drug cocktail to African nations on cheap, due to some patent issue. How many millions perished as a result is not known. Not even a mention of such figures in media.

IN ALL THE ABOVE EXAMPLES, AS TO HOW MANY MILLIONS WERE INJURED, HURT, DISPLACED, LOST LIVELIHOODS ETC. SHOULD IN 5-10 MILLIONS ON EACH INSTANCE.

QUIT BEATING YOUR DRUMS ON HUMANITARIANISM.

1 Rawanda would had been seen as imperialism If th eUS would had went in without UN approval

2. the North korean leader could had fed his people but he decided not to himself and he shot his mouth off so the UN stopped giving aid. Its great leaders fault not the US or UN.

3. I flat out refute your claim of over a million dead iraqis. Its been debunked many times as a flat out lie. Even their own government disputes it. still 370,000 is alot of displaced/wounded/and killed. the MAJORITY were done by INSURGENTS btw.

4 Stopped them from selling a incomplete drug that could had killed more than it would had helped. And also those people caught AIDS themselves so they had themselves to blame as well.

Putin must be really pushing his people to crank up the volume lately huh?

a reply to: yuppa

your answers basically represent a severe and evil twist to the age old human morality.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: yuppa

your answers basically represent a severe and evil twist to the age old human morality.

Is there any particular reason you completely and totally ignore the fact these issues you raised are occurring in sovereign nations and that their own governments are the reason for the situation?

Where exactly does accountability fit into your vocabulary? You blame everything on the US while completely ignoring the other.

a reply to: victor7

ABSOLUTELY not.
THERE is NO other country who has GIVEN more... NONE.
HAS RUSSIA interviened on any of those places ?
The NORKS are a Chinese CLIENT state WHERE ARE THEY in all of that suffering?
Clinton was another piece of GARBAGE who only thought with his lesser head. I left SERVICE under him by getting RIFFED from my illness before I COULD treat it.
SOME OF THOSE MILLIONS who SUFFERED in Iraq did so by attempting TO OST Saddam DIDN'T they? BECAUSE we didn't GO IN AND finish his ass off.
HOW many of those MILLIONS are more victims of HIS REGIME...like WE will ever KNOW?
WHAT are RUSSIAS contributions to world PEACE other than being the cause AGAINST it?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

THERE is NO other country who has GIVEN more... NONE.

That's true and much thanks and appreciations for that!! For example: end of Clinton's 2nd term, all the western powers got together and wrote off $90 Billion of African Debt. US was the majority donor in that club. Thanks again to US of A!!

The four instance mentioned above were mostly avoidable in the modes applied. This way, general people under dictators and oppressors would not have suffered. US invented "Precision Bombs" so where is the Precision Bomb to take out the dictator from power instead of sanctioning the whole country and making people suffer.

US learned this much late when they modified Iraqi sanctions to "smart sanctions" in 2000 or so. That meant general food, medicine, daily needs of subsistence etc. were allowed to go through but checks were still in place against the military or dual use technologies. Iraq was allowed to sell as much oil as possible but not use revenues to buy weapons and military items.

Similarily in the AIDS drug issue where millions were dying horribly, US could have made an exception, forced foreign companies to jack up the prices by 20% and having them send that 20% to US patent holders. This way $1000/year cost in US vrs $100/year cost in China would have new cost of $120 with $20 coming back to US Labs. Heck even $200 cost with $100 coming back to US would have made these drugs much affordable to African populations with 10% ROI (which is above average for US Drug companies).

Bottomline is, human morality and ethics stand much above the rights of already multi-millionaires over their drug patents.

a reply to: victor7

THOSE same OLIGARCHS are THE ONLY ones YOU should attack who contol THE ENTIRE DISTRICT of Columbia, not the AMERICAN people or we soldiers. THOSE SAME PEOPLE have HALTED human progress in HUGE ways we can only guess at.
AIDS was PROBABLY made in a LAB by them as well,IN ORDER to depopulate Africa,I'M GUESSING Ebola too.
AS to PRCISION bombing WE TOO are the best at that,and WE STLL hit a milk factory.
They also have a NON DECAPITATION policy in place for some stupid reason.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

It's your job as citizen and probably a soldier to deal with these Oligarchic Cartels..........not mine or other non-Americans.

Pharma and Medical lobby is the main reason why US did not have government supported health insurance for decades. The same lobby is behind the astronomical and unethical medical costs. Ex: a glass of water in hospital is charged $5 or more in the name of "dehydration thearpy". WHAT NONSENSE???????????????

End results, Medical reasons are the #1 cause of "family bankruptcies" in the US. Even when Obama brought in a formula for health insurance the lobby business went to the Highest gear to undo it and thanks goodness for Supreme court to have let the legislation stand in favor.

I am not a communist and not even a strong flavor socialist............but free or even partially supported government healthcare should be the right of every citizen of any country. Even if it means working one saturday in month for free or similar "givebacks" to the government.

a reply to: victor7

THEY are wired to law enforcement and as we speak WAITING for the excuse to hit all Americans if we attack first.
We will continue until they make a major move against us.
1st one to attack LOSES.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

No need for civil war type action..........heck it is America not some country in the third world.

The bastard leaders in DC generally drift with the general sentiment of the people to insure their next re-election. The general voice of people alone can get lots of work done without rioting or bashing city transit buses.

a reply to: victor7

SOMEONE bought and PAID for this guy enought to HIDE a great deal about his passed.The masses learn who he is and deny it like crazy as their cellphonews tell them to dowww.facebook.com...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: victor7
AS to PRCISION bombing WE TOO are the best at that,and WE STLL hit a milk factory.
They also have a NON DECAPITATION policy in place for some stupid reason.

Right, and you know it's a milk factory because of the sign saying "MILK FACTORY" in English, lol.

a reply to: FlyingFox

I'm just saying no one's perfect.

Rather than talk about WW3 over no man's land Estonia, I would focus on what the Estonian intel chief just spectacularly came up with a few days ago.
So it appears that Estonia's secret services are so advanced and capable, they even managed to figure out that once British soldiers are deployed in the country, they are going to behave just as they usually behave in England. That is, in essence, brawling in pubs.
Obviously illuminated by its espionage successes against England, after correctly assessing the danger that a bunch of professional drunks, who didn't manage to get elected to the House of Commons, can do to your town, the formidable Estonian intelligence had to come up with something thrilling about it.
So they came up with another spectacular deceptive intelligence operation, nobody would ever think of.... blame Russian provocateurs and Russian girls.

After all these amazing successes by the Estonian intelligence, I would argue it's time for Britain to start some serious investigation on Estonian spy networks in England. I mean ... they even managed to uncover a so well kept secret, such as the "British pub brawls", that notoriously led Britain to the conquest of many lands in history.