You can bash Putin day and night, the simple fact is that Russia will not fold into your version of reality.
You can marry gays, you can eat GMOs, you can worship NATO, mandatory vaccination, enjoy endless debt and be controlled by the USA, you can worship
American bankers too if you like.
But you will never get Russia to become your puppet state. And if you try you will have World War on your hands.
“As you know, the modern world, especially the Western world, is highly monopolised and many Western countries – whether they want to hear this or
not – have voluntarily given up a considerable part of their sovereignty. To some extent, this is a result of the politics of blocs. Sometimes we
find it very difficult to come to terms with them on geopolitical issues. It is hard to reach an agreement with people who whisper even at home for
fear of being overheard by the Americans. This is not a joke or a figure of speech.” (Vladimir Putin)
I personally don't care one bit if homosexuals marry, didn't since very early childhood, consider it absolute sin and crimes against all souls, and
violating Love and Goodness and what people think is God, to ever treat homosexuals as less than full citizens with equal rights. You don't throw
away your intelligence, conscience, fairness to others, for something that is very primitive BS in a book used to control the world, that shows you
are low IQ or easily bought off and would errupt into Sharia type stuff if your minister was free enough to demand it.
They can marry in Canada, so people who are escaping up to Canada, as we've read a few say they are, won't get away from this.
I agree Obama is being rude and bully with the rainbow light thing, nothing is done right to Americans, and yet they need to stand up together and if
they really can't find common grounds, then a strong group of like minded need to stand up and stop paying the bill/tab for abuse by the psycho's at
the top. Its not the sexual preference agenda that counts, its how its done and the rudeness and abusive treatment middle class America has received
from its elected employees.
As for Nato, WORSHIP? I love and adore (don't know what the word worship means) babies, and honor native grandmothers, moms and children, the world
I guess its just a case of one countries "leaders and abusers of power" talking to another countries abusers of power, but not the people, because
everything goes over the people's heads, and their voices, talents, problem solving, is just shoved off to the wayside.
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Well it is pretty obvious if Russia got itself into a military altercation with any NATO member state that it will have no choice but to launch
preemptive strikes on all NATO members. Having NATO ensures there will be WW3 if there is a conflict with any of it's members and Russia.
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China is going to eat Russia. It has already taken away the formed Soviet Republics in the East while Putin is busy wrecking his economy and military
in Ukraine. China will buy Russia's natural resources at bargain rates. Unless somebody turns Russia around it is going to end up a third world
You have heard of the former USSR, right?
If you want to talk about sovereignty, you might want to go back through Russian history.
This thread, and a couple of others, have me wondering what's going on in the Kremlin right now.
It's fascinating to see the propaganda suddenly start up again, and perhaps the timing is relevant?
Ignoring the obvious propaganda and nonsense being offered by PredatorCrackling here, shall we discuss what this might mean in the larger picture?
What do you guys all think might be happening in Russia right now, and is this sudden resurrection of the pro-Putin nonsense an indication of a new
It should be mentioned that Russia is now looking at the legality of former Soviet nations becoming independent of Russia, something that has angered
several of those nations including Nato members.
If somehow Russian and the US shared a common border, the people of America would never stand for the kind of escalation of US / NATO forces
pointing at Russia's throat.
The United States and Russia do share a common border, and as has been pointed out, Putin is in danger of losing Siberia to China... then the
US and China will share a border and things will get really hot.
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Dmitry Orlov puts it this way . " A while ago I had the pleasure of hearing Sergey Glazyev—economist, politician, member of the Academy of
Sciences, adviser to Pres. Putin—say something that very much confirmed my own thinking. He said that anyone who knows mathematics can see that the
United States is on the verge of collapse because its debt has gone exponential. These aren't words that an American or a European politician can
utter in public, and perhaps not even whisper to their significant other while lying in bed, because the American eavesdroppers might overhear them,
and then the politician in question would get the Dominique Strauss-Kahn treatment (whose illustrious career ended when on a visit to the US he was
falsely accused of rape and arrested). And so no European (never mind American) politician can state the obvious, no matter how obvious it is."
I have herd people say, well it doesn't matter, because of the system we have in the west.. .I don't by that and haven't for a long time .It has got
to the point where ,I am not even sure what they keep saying stuff related to money or economics anymore .Mostly because you would need a crack team
of investigators 2 months to check and then they could only give you a few possibilities as to what it means .
Dmitry Orlov goes on to say "Do you like your black hole? If you aren't sure you like it, then let me ask you some other questions: Do you like
the fact that your credit cards still work, or that you can still keep money in the bank and even get cash out of an ATM machine, or that you are
either receiving or hope to eventually receive a pension? Do you like the fact that you can get useful things—food, gas, airline tickets—for mere
pieces of paper with pictures of dead white men on them? Do you like the fact that you have internet access, that the lights are on, and that there is
water on tap? Well, if you like these things, then you must also like the financial black hole, because that's what's making all of these things
possible in spite of your country being bankrupt. Perhaps it's a love-hate relationship: you love being able to pretend that everything is still OK
even though you know it isn't, and you wish to enjoy a bit more of the business-as-usual before it all goes to hell, be it for a few more days or
another year or two; but you hate the fact that eventually the black hole will suck you in, after which point things will definitely... suck.
In the United States, so far the black hole has been sucking in individual families (although it does sometimes suck in entire cities, like Detroit,
Michigan, or Bakersfield, California, or Camden, New Jersey). With the help of the fraudulent mortgage racket, it sucks in houses, and spits them out
again encumbered with bad debt. With the help of the medical industry, it sucks in sick people and spits them out again, bankrupt. With the help of
the higher education racket, it sucks in hopeful young people, and spits them out as graduates, with worthless degrees and saddled with mountainous
student debt. With the help of the military-industrial complex, it sucks in just about anything and spits out corpses, invalids, environmental damage,
terrorists and global instability. And so on.
But the black hole can also suck in entire countries. Right now it's busy trying to suck in Greece, but it's having a hard time with it, because
Greece is, of all things, a democracy. This has the black hole's puppets in quite a state at the moment, and starting to clamor for “regime
change” in Greece, so that Greece can be made to capitulate before the black hole gets hungry ".
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The main difference is that Americans are aware of their debt, whereas Russians seem to be in the dark. Unlike Russia, citizens of the United States
control the government.
you can worship American bankers too if you like.
You forgot to mention 9/11!
But you will never get Russia to become your puppet state.
I don't want Russia as a puppet state, I just don't want my relatives in Odessa to be forced to rejoin the Russian Empire by Czar Vladimir.
And if you try you will have World War on your hands.
Putin has already fired the first shots of that war.
“As you know, the modern world, especially the Western world, is highly monopolised and many Western countries – whether they want to hear
this or not – have voluntarily given up a considerable part of their sovereignty. To some extent, this is a result of the politics of blocs.
Sometimes we find it very difficult to come to terms with them on geopolitical issues. It is hard to reach an agreement with people who whisper even
at home for fear of being overheard by the Americans. This is not a joke or a figure of speech.” (Vladimir Putin)
It is even harder to reach an agreement with people who are afraid of Russian tanks rolling into their country again. This is not a joke or a figure
of speech. Countries join NATO because they are more afraid of Russia than the United States.
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