Christian facing death for drinking from Muslim water cup

originally posted by: deathslayer
a reply to: notmyrealname

What is wrong with you?

I am tired of hearing how a Christian should think and act by an atheist or some other non-believer.

So..... if I use your analogy of how a Christian should act then....... all Christians should get out of the armed forces because their job is to defend and use force (killing) when needed.

Did Jesus serve in the Roman military?

Maybe if you get robbed on the streets and the crap beat out of you I should stand back and stay MEEK and loving because we are suppose to love everyone....including the guy beating the crap out of you.

WWJD?

Let me tell you atheists and other hypocrites...... you are a broken record..... same crap you repeat every time.

You have NO IDEA what a Christian is. Why not say something original instead repeating some other atheist?

Actually, yes we do know what a Christian is, because most of us WERE Christians. It's not like you leave the religion and immediately forget all the teachings bud.

I feel sorry for you fools.

Such a TRULY Christian sign off.

a reply to: deathslayer

Meh .. In another news:

Muslim man brutally beaten by Hindu extremists in Muzaffarnagar, India

Wheres the f*c**** outrage?

a reply to: grandmakdw

What tolerance forgiveness and love are you showing to the majority of the Muslims that do none of what you list?

a reply to: grandmakdw

Are they calling for the death of those who disagree with them?

Yep. They terrorize clients at birth-control clinics. They shoot doctors in churches. They shoot innocent people who happen to be at a Jewish campus or building (Frazer Glenn Miller ring a bell?).

Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. (born November 23, 1940), commonly known as Glenn Miller, is a former leader of the defunct North Carolina-based White Patriot Party (formerly known as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan). Convicted of criminal charges related to weapons, and the violation of an injunction against paramilitary activity, he has been a perennial candidate for public office.[2] He is an advocate of white nationalism, white separatism, neo-paganism[1] and a proponent of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.[3]

EDIT: oh, wait. He's not a Christian, just a bigot and a hater. Same same.

Back to Christians:
They burn down black churches.

They stand on stage and say the US should drop bombs on Iran (John Hagee). They make videos calling for our own troops to bring the hammer down on our government using military might. They make money by asking for donations from "Christians" to support those causes.

That has happened, all very recently. So, are those just the loonies? Loonies with audiences like that Morning Star guy and John Hagee are dangerous. VERY dangerous. Sick, twisted individuals.

a reply to: grandmakdw

The Bible says that everything in the New Testament supersedes or replaces the Old Testament

LOL

What a crook of ignorant revisionism. So typical of Christians!

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


It's called relating to the problem. We see Christians doing similar things and make these remarks because ALL organized religion is awful. It's just that Christians and Muslims have a hard time of being critical to members of their own faith. Usually employing the No True Scotsman fallacy to dismiss these accounts.

You say Christian governments, the USA is doing things similar to what the Muslim judge is doing to the woman?
Your logic is way off.
What similar things are Christians doing through the government as what Muslims are doing through their government?

Your statement that all organized religion is awful, is the highest form of intolerance and bigotry and prejudice.

So you endorse bigotry and intolerance and prejudice
against people simply for believing in a religion?

How about Buddhism, that is an organized religion, is it awful?
According to you Buddhism is awful and should be eliminated
because it is an organized religion.

How about Christians who do follow the words of Christ
to love your neighbor, not judge others,
to be kind and generous and to help those in need?
Are they awful and should be gotten rid of?

This statement is the equivalent of saying all black people are awful,
all white people are awful,
all homosexuals are awful,
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me)
it is intolerant and bigoted.

If you say, it is the ideas in religion
that you want to see persecuted and eliminated.
Then it is the same as saying everyone who believes
in socialism is awful and should be eliminated
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me).

It is the same as saying all people who believe
in progressiveism/liberalism and follow the teachings
of the leaders are awful and should be eliminated
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me).

Can't you see that what you are saying is the height of bigotry, intolerance and extremely judgmental?
The very things you condemn in organized religion.

You are saying that because you find the ideas in religion to not be to your liking,
that all organized religions are awful,
the people are awful,
and they should all be eliminated?

That seems to be your premise.

I do find, killing someone from drinking from the wrong cup to be evil,
I find giving women to men as sex slaves for reciting the Koran to be evil,
I see the beheading of people who disagree with you to be evil.
I do not want to brand all Muslims as evil
I do not want to eliminate the Muslim religion
because of some of the evil followers

However, you seem to want to brand all Christians as evil,
Christians who have not enslaved anyone for well over 100 years
and who worked hard to free the slaves in the USA.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who run hospitals
that give free care to children.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who run missions that
give the homeless a place to stay and food to eat.
You want to brand all Christians like my Dr. good friend who
is the only Dr. in my area who will treat homosexual aids patients
in the only free AIDS clinic within nearly 100 miles, as evil.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who make blankets
and mats for the homeless as the women in my church do.
When you throw out your broad generalizations that all
and everyone involved in organized religion is evil and should
be eliminated, you call for the elimination of all of these
organizations and people.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
You say Christian governments, the USA is doing things similar to what the Muslim judge is doing to the woman?
Your logic is way off.
What similar things are Christians doing through the government as what Muslims are doing through their government?

The US government isn't a Christian government. So that isn't a comparable situation.

Your statement that all organized religion is awful, is the highest form of intolerance and bigotry and prejudice.

Ok, show me ONE theocracy that hasn't stooped to some sort of ethnic cleansing?

So you endorse bigotry and intolerance and prejudice
against people simply for believing in a religion?

Endorse? I'm just speaking the truth about how the religion acts. I've said many many many many many times that I have nothing against the actual people who practice the religion.

How about Buddhism, that is an organized religion, is it awful?
According to you Buddhism is awful and should be eliminated
because it is an organized religion.

I never said any religion should be eliminated. I said that I don't like them and are prone to being intolerant. So yes Buddhism falls in this same category. There have been Buddhists that have practiced intolerance in the name of their religion.

How about Christians who do follow the words of Christ
to love your neighbor, not judge others,
to be kind and generous and to help those in need?
Are they awful and should be gotten rid of?

Again, I don't want to get RID of anyone. So stop putting words in my mouth. You asked for proof of Christian intolerance in this country and I gave it to you and now you run off on some strawman about me wanting to kill Christians or something.

This statement is the equivalent of saying all black people are awful,
all white people are awful,
all homosexuals are awful,
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me)
it is intolerant and bigoted.

Quote the post where I said that all Christians are awful. Otherwise you are a liar (which is against Christian law btw) and are bearing false witness against me.

If you say, it is the ideas in religion
that you want to see persecuted and eliminated.
Then it is the same as saying everyone who believes
in socialism is awful and should be eliminated
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me).

I HAVEN'T SAID THAT ANYONE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED!!!! That is the last thing I would ever want. Stop building strawmans around my argument and use your college educated skills to actually READ and UNDERSTAND what I am typing.

It is the same as saying all people who believe
in progressiveism/liberalism and follow the teachings
of the leaders are awful and should be eliminated
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me).

I am starting to disbelieve your claim about being college educated...

Can't you see that what you are saying is the height of bigotry, intolerance and extremely judgmental?
The very things you condemn in organized religion.

Can't you see that I haven't said or implied any of these things you are associating to me?

You are saying that because you find the ideas in religion to not be to your liking,
that all organized religions are awful,
the people are awful,
and they should all be eliminated?

No. That is NOT what I am saying. I am saying that the religion is awful. That the religion does awful things in its name. I am NOT saying that I want to get rid of anyone that practices it or legislate against it. That is TOTALLY against what this country stands for. Again stop putting words in my mouth.

That seems to be your premise.

Only to an idiot.

I do find, killing someone from drinking from the wrong cup to be evil,
I find giving women to men as sex slaves for reciting the Koran to be evil,
I see the beheading of people who disagree with you to be evil.
I do not want to brand all Muslims as evil
I do not want to eliminate the Muslim religion
because of some of the evil followers

Fantastic, I say the same thing about many Christian tenants.

However, you seem to want to brand all Christians as evil,
Christians who have not enslaved anyone for well over 100 years
and who worked hard to free the slaves in the USA.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who run hospitals
that give free care to children.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who run missions that
give the homeless a place to stay and food to eat.
You want to brand all Christians like my Dr. good friend who
is the only Dr. in my area who will treat homosexual aids patients
in the only free AIDS clinic within nearly 100 miles, as evil.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who make blankets
and mats for the homeless as the women in my church do.
When you throw out your broad generalizations that all
and everyone involved in organized religion is evil and should
be eliminated, you call for the elimination of all of these
organizations and people.

I'd rather ban ignorance which is something you are spreading here... It took just about all my willpower not to cuss at you and violate the T&C for completely rewriting my point for me so you can address that.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Klassified

Instead of using the critical thinking skills you learned in college

Something tells me this might not apply to grandma.

@grandma: did you go to college?

What a bigoted and prejudicial question, assuming I am ignorant with your little quip. But I will answer.

Yes, and I taught in 2 major state universities and one university that could be considered second tier ivy league. My husband was in the military so I followed him around, I also taught in 3 different community colleges.

But you many not consider that educated.

I also taught research methods, so guess that says something about my critical thinking skills.

I do not find putting to death a woman
for drinking from the wrong cup as the Islamists are doing -
or pushing homosexuals off roof tops, or lashing homosexuals,
or giving female slaves to men for memorizing the Koran, -

to be in any way equal to Christianity in the west,
As many here in this thread are doing.

I question the critical thinking skills of those who find the two to be equal.

Saying the two are equal in BEHAVIOR and shows extreme intolerance.

So pray to your god to save the woman. It is obvious that this is just another inter-faith quarrel between intolerant people of each religion that caused the problem. If people are using a religion as an excuse to commit atrocities, let's go back to the good old christian god's attitude of Eye for an Eye or if it is your faith that causes you to sin, pluck it out.

Religion in all of it's glory:

a reply to: grandmakdw

You say Christian governments, the USA is doing things similar to what the Muslim judge is doing to the woman?
Your logic is way off.

First of all, thank GOD, the USA is not a Christian government!

Yet.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: grandmakdw
You say Christian governments, the USA is doing things similar to what the Muslim judge is doing to the woman?
Your logic is way off.
What similar things are Christians doing through the government as what Muslims are doing through their government?

The US government isn't a Christian government. So that isn't a comparable situation.

Your statement that all organized religion is awful, is the highest form of intolerance and bigotry and prejudice.

Ok, show me ONE theocracy that hasn't stooped to some sort of ethnic cleansing?

So you endorse bigotry and intolerance and prejudice
against people simply for believing in a religion?

Endorse? I'm just speaking the truth about how the religion acts. I've said many many many many many times that I have nothing against the actual people who practice the religion.

How about Buddhism, that is an organized religion, is it awful?
According to you Buddhism is awful and should be eliminated
because it is an organized religion.

I never said any religion should be eliminated. I said that I don't like them and are prone to being intolerant. So yes Buddhism falls in this same category. There have been Buddhists that have practiced intolerance in the name of their religion.

How about Christians who do follow the words of Christ
to love your neighbor, not judge others,
to be kind and generous and to help those in need?
Are they awful and should be gotten rid of?

Again, I don't want to get RID of anyone. So stop putting words in my mouth. You asked for proof of Christian intolerance in this country and I gave it to you and now you run off on some strawman about me wanting to kill Christians or something.

This statement is the equivalent of saying all black people are awful,
all white people are awful,
all homosexuals are awful,
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me)
it is intolerant and bigoted.

Quote the post where I said that all Christians are awful. Otherwise you are a liar (which is against Christian law btw) and are bearing false witness against me.

If you say, it is the ideas in religion
that you want to see persecuted and eliminated.
Then it is the same as saying everyone who believes
in socialism is awful and should be eliminated
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me).

I HAVEN'T SAID THAT ANYONE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED!!!! That is the last thing I would ever want. Stop building strawmans around my argument and use your college educated skills to actually READ and UNDERSTAND what I am typing.

It is the same as saying all people who believe
in progressiveism/liberalism and follow the teachings
of the leaders are awful and should be eliminated
(which I don't believe at all, just in case you try to attribute these feelings to me).

I am starting to disbelieve your claim about being college educated...

Can't you see that what you are saying is the height of bigotry, intolerance and extremely judgmental?
The very things you condemn in organized religion.

Can't you see that I haven't said or implied any of these things you are associating to me?

You are saying that because you find the ideas in religion to not be to your liking,
that all organized religions are awful,
the people are awful,
and they should all be eliminated?

No. That is NOT what I am saying. I am saying that the religion is awful. That the religion does awful things in its name. I am NOT saying that I want to get rid of anyone that practices it or legislate against it. That is TOTALLY against what this country stands for. Again stop putting words in my mouth.

That seems to be your premise.

Only to an idiot.

I do find, killing someone from drinking from the wrong cup to be evil,
I find giving women to men as sex slaves for reciting the Koran to be evil,
I see the beheading of people who disagree with you to be evil.
I do not want to brand all Muslims as evil
I do not want to eliminate the Muslim religion
because of some of the evil followers

Fantastic, I say the same thing about many Christian tenants.

However, you seem to want to brand all Christians as evil,
Christians who have not enslaved anyone for well over 100 years
and who worked hard to free the slaves in the USA.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who run hospitals
that give free care to children.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who run missions that
give the homeless a place to stay and food to eat.
You want to brand all Christians like my Dr. good friend who
is the only Dr. in my area who will treat homosexual aids patients
in the only free AIDS clinic within nearly 100 miles, as evil.
You want to brand all Christians as evil who make blankets
and mats for the homeless as the women in my church do.
When you throw out your broad generalizations that all
and everyone involved in organized religion is evil and should
be eliminated, you call for the elimination of all of these
organizations and people.

I'd rather ban ignorance which is something you are spreading here... It took just about all my willpower not to cuss at you and violate the T&C for completely rewriting my point for me so you can address that.

You can believe what you want about me.
Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me less intelligent than you,
we simply disagree.

I do not believe all religions are awful and should be eliminated.

If you think all religions are awful and should be done away with it.
The only way to do that is to eliminate the followers, as long as followers
exist, the religions will exist. Regardless of your claims to not want to rid
the world of religious people, that is the one and only way to rid the world
of religion, and you know it.

You are spreading hatred for those who believe in religion when you state
that all religions are awful. By implication you are saying everyone who
believes in those religions are awful. The two go hand in hand.
You are by default endorsing bigotry and intolerance toward religion and
religious followers.

We have now gone so off topic it is ridiculous

The OP intended this to be a discussion about the woman who was sentenced to death by Muslim courts for drinking from the wrong cup.
Then immediately, people jumped in to change it to a hate all Christians and Christianity thread.
It was immediately derailed by rants that pointed to Christianity as the problem and not the Muslim courts,
talk about faulty logic and ignorance!

I have been pointing out the assertions by you and others that
what the Muslim court declared in putting to death a woman for
drinking from the wrong cup,
is the same as what Christians in the
US are doing today;
is intolerance, extreme judgmentalism, bigotry and prejudice.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: grandmakdw

You say Christian governments, the USA is doing things similar to what the Muslim judge is doing to the woman?
Your logic is way off.

First of all, thank GOD, the USA is not a Christian government!

Yet.

Well, you may be right.

However, mark my words

second generation and above Americans are
reproducing at below replacement level rates

(this will make many of you gleeful)
Christianity IS waning in the US and
going away with it's influence and numbers

however, Muslims are coming to the US in large numbers,
they are reproducing in large numbers
they are converting large numbers in the US

they day will come when Muslims will be the majority
in the US and they will have the vote
and control popular culture;

because people were so focused on ridding the
country of Christianity and ignored Islam,
Islam will within 30-40 years predominate

and then......

a reply to: deathslayer

I often see ATS members jump up and scream it is but a few Muslim extremist and this is incorrect, it is entire countries.

Ok...now what?!

Let's assume that you are correct to paint over a billion people with same brush because of what you came across in a foxnews link: Now what?

Possessing animosity, hate and a aggressive nature is what motivated you to post this thread...

So, what's the solution to this particular case concerning the woman in the OP?

What a sick society. This is not some individual who has claimed jihad or extremist but an entire government who has decided to penalize another human being by DEATH because of their religious beliefs.

To condemn an entire society based on the actions of their government displays a high degree of ignorance. Ask any American who has travelled abroad how unfair and cruel that practice is.

The thought process that inspired and motivated you to post this thread is no different than the imbeciles who condemn someone from drinking out of a cup.

The irony is that the religious dogmatic fundamentalist (of all faiths) that perceive the teachings as different are ALL drinking from the wrong cup...

a reply to: grandmakdw

I have been pointing out the assertions by you and others that
what the Muslim court declared in putting to death a woman for
drinking from the wrong cup,
is the same as what Christians in the
US are doing today;
is intolerance, extreme judgmentalism, bigotry and prejudice.

There aren't any 'Christian courts' doing anything at all.
There is the SUPREME COURT, which is not a 'Christian court'......and they just ratified that gay people can be legally married, and that EVERY STATE has to acknowledge it as legal by federal law.......but, if I may ask a question:
would you be pleased if this country became a Christian theocracy? So that then 'gays' could be sentenced to death or prison, or forced into therapy, or arrested for living their lives?

Do you want that?
Do you for one minute think that all of those televangelists aren't 'lobbying' our government in order to secure "Christian premises"? What about the presidential hopefuls who are also Evangelicals - who want to put 'Creationism' in our public education system??

What about the governors who are actively telling their constituents to IGNORE the new mandate?

Who are pushing their "Christian" states to secede?
If those people get into power, they WILL start passing laws to punish people who are homosexual, who don't go to church, who aren't "Christian".

They want to take over

business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, the family and religion.

The seven mountain dominionists. They ARE TRYING, and they are legion.

Are they all cool and good in your mind? Vote for Pedro Perry. (If you vote for him, he will make all your wildest dreams come true.)

Not that I necessarily expect a reply....

a reply to: grandmakdw

Christianity IS waning in the US and
going away with it's influence and numbers

Right. And that's okay.

however, Muslims are coming to the US in large numbers,
they are reproducing in large numbers
they are converting large numbers in the US

they day will come when Muslims will be the majority
in the US and they will have the vote
and control popular culture;

Dear lady: this that you typed ^^ is Islamophobia.
What on earth makes you think that Muslims are going to come in and take the government by control?
And you say that you aren't judgmental, bigoted, etc. ???????? That you think religion is fine? Wow.
Sorry, my cognition has retreated to dissonance again.....


It is a hideous fantasy to think that unless we have a "Christian Theocracy" we are doomed to have a "Sharia Theocracy."

I vote for neither.
The Constitution agrees with me. But I wouldn't put it past the holy-rollers and the islamists to go at it and turn this country into something akin to the Middle East.

RELIGION has no place in controlling Government, Education, Family, Business, Arts & Entertainment, Media.

Keep it secular. The Christians don't get all the power, and the Muslims don't get all the power. You have to learn to get along with each other, and everyone else.
Now, maybe - just maybe - you see that you are calling for the equivalent of "Sharia Law" when you promote "Mosaic Law" as the ONLY ALTERNATIVE.

Calm down, for Christ's sake!
We got your back!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't need a 'theocracy' for that.

mark my words

Duly notated and marked. Scary stuff, that.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
You can believe what you want about me.
Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me less intelligent than you,
we simply disagree.

You disagreeing with me ISN'T why I said that. I usually reserve remarks about people's intelligence for people who do intellectually dishonest things like create strawmans about my argument like that previous wall of text you responded to me was.

I do not believe all religions are awful and should be eliminated.

If you think all religions are awful and should be done away with it.
The only way to do that is to eliminate the followers, as long as followers
exist, the religions will exist. Regardless of your claims to not want to rid
the world of religious people, that is the one and only way to rid the world
of religion, and you know it.

I know how to get rid of a religion, that doesn't mean that I WANT to do that. I am PERFECTLY capable of disliking something and being able to tolerate it at the same time. I wish Christians opposed to gay marriage would share that sentiment.

You are spreading hatred for those who believe in religion when you state
that all religions are awful. By implication you are saying everyone who
believes in those religions are awful. The two go hand in hand.
You are by default endorsing bigotry and intolerance toward religion and
religious followers.

No I am not, and no they don't go hand in hand.

We have now gone so off topic it is ridiculous

The OP intended this to be a discussion about the woman who was sentenced to death by Muslim courts for drinking from the wrong cup.
Then immediately, people jumped in to change it to a hate all Christians and Christianity thread.
It was immediately derailed by rants that pointed to Christianity as the problem and not the Muslim courts,
talk about faulty logic and ignorance!

So no apology for ranting over a strawman you created in your head about me?

I have been pointing out the assertions by you and others that
what the Muslim court declared in putting to death a woman for
drinking from the wrong cup,
is the same as what Christians in the
US are doing today;
is intolerance, extreme judgmentalism, bigotry and prejudice.

That's because you are blind to your own religion's atrocities. I've already explained to you that the way Christians act in this country isn't comparable to how Christians act in Christian theocracies. The fact that you refuse to see this just shows this blindness to me.

Just because the result of the prejudice isn't death, doesn't mean the actions done by Christians in the name of intolerance aren't deplorable. In fact, at times I think they are worse. Death means the person doesn't have to worry about the intolerance anymore. If you go on living, you can be tortured relentlessly by the intolerant.

Nah, Can't be bothered.......

a reply to: grandmakdw

It was immediately derailed by rants that pointed to Christianity as the problem and not the Muslim courts,
talk about faulty logic and ignorance!

So, you want it to just be about Muslim law, then. Right?
Well, we don't have Sharia Law here, and I think it's pretty clear that we won't accept that any more than we will accept a Christian Theocracy.

It isn't we - the secular community - who are being so ugly. We are attempting to embrace everything peacefully. To move forward. Horrible things happen on this planet every bloody day because of religion. Jews/Christians/Muslims - Buddhists/Hindus/Atheists - Pagans/New Agers/Mormons.....

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??????

GOD ISN'T HERE! WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES!!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: grandmakdw

The Bible says that everything in the New Testament supersedes or replaces the Old Testament

LOL

What a crook of ignorant revisionism. So typical of Christians!

I am not surprised of the tone of your reply.. it has become quite obvious. Instead of just bashing your lines there is a bit truth in what was said. Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." This was his reply when people asked him "Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth." And he advised to turn the other cheek.



This is really interesting. Christian woman facing death for drinking from the cup of Muslim and all are bashing Christians. World is sick !
That is a hidden approval of death sentence as long as the "violator" is a Christian..

a reply to: dollukka

This is really interesting. Christian woman facing death for drinking from the cup of Muslim and all are bashing Christians. World is sick !

Yes, sweetie. The world is very sick. Very, very sick.

As for the trajectory of this thread:
The reaction to the thread has more to do with the OP and his acolytes (who are suffering from an inordinately painful identity crisis in the wake of the Supreme Court's ruling last week that it's legal for homosexuals to be married) - the OP is caught up in spreading doom-porn, and unfortunately there are millions of Americans buying into what's coming out of the mainstream right now.

This discord you see on this thread here is a USA thing. We are unraveling. I know you're in Scandinavia (and I am one of the Americans who wants the same sort of system you all have there - our main hope right now is Bernie Sanders) -it isn't about European "Christianity" at all.

It is about Christian zealots who would like to take over the USA, just like the ISIS maniacs want to take over the Middle East and 'the world'.

Please understand that we are going through a horrendous crisis as a nation right now. We're all flipping out.

Can I come and stay at your house for the next 35 years?