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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
I already think well enough for myself not to have my world views challenged simply by someone showing up and telling me to ask "what if". I ask that question every single day. You are coming here, telling me that all of recorded history is incorrect
originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation
What then, are YOUR truths, and why are they more valid than what decades of research at the Pyramids themselves have shown?
I absolutely love it when people poo-poo all over education and history and give no valid recourse as to what alternative there is, so let's hear yours.
I don't proclaim any new facts to you but only to challenge the existing - sometimes ones purpose is to destroy what exists and not to create – but then again one must destroy to make space for new ideas. My wish is for you to think for yourself, research long standing "facts", and ask what if. What if I am right? Could you take it?
-MM
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
, without so much as a shred of evidence to your argument beyond "there are gaps in what we know", which will ALWAYS be true.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Yeah, we don't everything about our history. Convenient things like printing presses didn't exist until a few centuries ago, so books were written primarily by Monks
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
, and GASP! Jesuits, who spent most of their life studying scripture.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
History wasn't written by the servant of feudal society. It wasn't written by the slave in the fields. It wasn't written by the soldier on the battlefield.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
And because of that, we only have:
1) Archaeological evidence
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
2) Written Texts
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
3) Geological Data and Samples
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
OUR time in history is being written by the leyman. It's being written by the common citizen. OUR time in history will be clear and well preserved, unless some global catastrophe occurs.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
But the common man back then did not have what we have now to preserve our lives unto eternity.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Yes, there are gaps in our understanding.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
What that the big message you wanted to bring here? It's not exactly groundbreaking, if so.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Think for yourselves? That has been the rallying cry of Scholars and Intellectuals throughout history.
Gaps in our understanding? The only thing any consious being can truely know is that it exists, anything beyond that all is bragging and foolishness.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation
Then don't buy it. What about Herodotus? Or are his writings more fantasy? He thought they belonged to Khufu. Though his information was third-hand stories.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
I don't disagree that the elements of proof that it's Khufu's tomb is circumstantial at best. Don't disagree at all. What I do disagree with is your assertion that it's taught as "cold hard fact, no debate allowed." And that is, to be blunt, utter crap. The debate goes on to this very day. The findings are couched in qualified statements like "believed to be." And you're ignoring that, and it appears that it's intentional.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
So, at the end of the day, it appears that you're railing against something that isn't actually happening. Even my 1st grader's books about ancient Egypt includes the "thought to be" terminology.
As for the what if? Well, show me how millions of people can pull this off and then maybe we can talk about it. "The best way to keep a secret is to tell no one.
The second best is to tell one person. There is no third option." And that's why the idea that thousands or millions of people have pulled this off is, frankly, preposterous.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation
What if questions have no specific answers....only individual opinions....
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation
1) Don't ever, ever pretend to know what my thought processes are.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
2) You speak a WHOLE lot of empty words and make grand motions about how everything wrong, and YOU'RE the once asking ME for sources? Hah.
3) You want me to prove men back in antiquity didn't have the internet? Okay.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Gaps in our understanding? The only thing any consious being can truely know is that it exists, anything beyond that all is bragging and foolishness.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Don't pretend you're some great philosopher. The whole "The only thing we know for certain is that we know nothing" is a long-standing tenet of most philosophical circles, and you bringing it up here only proves how sophomoric your understanding of a) History and b) Philosophy.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
5) You're asking "What if?" HOW REVOLUTIONARY!
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
6) What scholars and intellectuals have told people to think for themselves? Nearly every great one, and tons of mediocre ones. Do you honestly want to me cite every single instance of a scholar saying such? I have neither the time, nor the desire to pander to your petty game. Oh, here's a good one for you. "Search for yourself!" It's all over the internet. Oh, wait, the whole internet is lying to you, I forgot.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Look, sprinkles. You're not any smarter than any of us,
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
and your insistence that we "have it wrong" and that you, by virtue of asking "What if" as if it's some groundbreaking question and then talking down to us like we're twelve is not only insulting, it's downright moronic.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Have fun with your false sense of superiority. Remember to attend Philosophy 101.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation
Right. Because there's absolutely no study going on in, for example, Egyptology. So the lie is set, and since there's definitely no continuing study, there's no way the lie would ever be discovered. That, or all the Egyptologists are in on it but just really good secret keepers.
You realize how absurd that is, don't you? No, never mind. That answer is in plain evidence.
You could be a pal and save everybody some time by just saying "pics or it didn't happen" over and over.
originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation
1) Don't ever, ever pretend to know what my thought processes are.
I don't purpose to pretend.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
2) You speak a WHOLE lot of empty words and make grand motions about how everything wrong, and YOU'RE the once asking ME for sources? Hah.
3) You want me to prove men back in antiquity didn't have the internet? Okay.
It is called a discussion, and you are in an Discussion Forum. If you only want to exclaim I suggest you rather get a blog or open a Twitter account, I hear those are great for that.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Gaps in our understanding? The only thing any consious being can truely know is that it exists, anything beyond that all is bragging and foolishness.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Don't pretend you're some great philosopher. The whole "The only thing we know for certain is that we know nothing" is a long-standing tenet of most philosophical circles, and you bringing it up here only proves how sophomoric your understanding of a) History and b) Philosophy.
I AM a great philosopher, I'm not pretending at all - did you think I was?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
5) You're asking "What if?" HOW REVOLUTIONARY!
Thank you
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
6) What scholars and intellectuals have told people to think for themselves? Nearly every great one, and tons of mediocre ones. Do you honestly want to me cite every single instance of a scholar saying such? I have neither the time, nor the desire to pander to your petty game. Oh, here's a good one for you. "Search for yourself!" It's all over the internet. Oh, wait, the whole internet is lying to you, I forgot.
Still, you can not find a single one that said people should think for themselves?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Look, sprinkles. You're not any smarter than any of us,
And just when did I say I was smarter than you?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
and your insistence that we "have it wrong" and that you, by virtue of asking "What if" as if it's some groundbreaking question and then talking down to us like we're twelve is not only insulting, it's downright moronic.
Well, you were naughty so you needed a little intellectual spanking, so to say
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Have fun with your false sense of superiority. Remember to attend Philosophy 101.
I AM a great philosopher, I'm not pretending at all - did you think I was?
The only thing any consious being can truely know is that it exists, anything beyond that all is bragging and foolishness.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Don't pretend you're some great philosopher. The whole "The only thing we know for certain is that we know nothing" is a long-standing tenet of most philosophical circles, and you bringing it up here only proves how sophomoric your understanding of a) History and b) Philosophy.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Annnd opinion discarded. The Great Philosophers of our time never had the hubris to claim they were great philosophers. Besides, how do you KNOW you're a great philosopher? You know nothing. You yourself said that.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Guess you're just a foolish braggart.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Take care sunshine, enjoy your high horse, hope the fall doesn't hurt too badly.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Railgun OUT.
originally posted by: Syllar
We have a valid model, a model with proof, physical evidence, architecture, maps , books, burial grounds, etc.
originally posted by: Syllar
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation
Ok, for the sake of argument i'll assume your right... Do you consider an alternate history? Or are you here just to deconstruct?
For a change, I'd like to see you construct a theory. You have ti'll tomorrow.