'The Far Right Racists Being Seen As Future Anti-Government Domestic Terrorists'

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

That's sound logic.

Either they'll swarm on this thread condemning you for speaking such truth, out loud. Or they'll completely ignore it, because your logic is far to foolproof for them to dispute it.

So, if they reply, he's right.
If they don't, he's right.
Yep. Got'em on the run there champ.

a reply to: Telos

But, but, but...................but......................Racist!!!!
[ that was sarcasm just to be clear ]

So what is strange to is there are people who defend radical far right groups like the KKK and expect people to not think they are racists.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So what is strange to is there are people who defend radical far right groups like the KKK and expect people to not think they are racists.

It is strange that we even need to go there.



But is this the world you want to live in? Just replace Muslims with your fellow citizens.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So what is strange to is there are people who defend radical far right groups like the KKK and expect people to not think they are racists.

It is strange that we even need to go there.

But is this the world you want to live in? Just replace Muslims with your fellow citizens.

Its the world we live in, only by addressing the problem can we come up with a solution which is simply stopping the hatred. Also if someone is planning a race war like they wanna be Cobra Commander they need to be taken down for the villian they are. There should be no hail hydras allowed in America or in any country.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

And you have proof that "someone" is planning a race war?

Well, this is an uncomfortable topic that seems to have brought out the emotions in some of us. Regardless of how this thread makes you feel, it is a reality that must be addressed.

There are a few of us within the pro-2nd amendment group that have recognized this potential and speak out against it very loudly. I cannot begin to tell you how many militia meetings, and others gatherings, I have attended and spoken at in order to open their eyes to what they are being subjected to, and the potential ramifications that may occur if their general thought continues to go in the directing it's heading.

I can tell you that this is a real problem. It is not the general "white conservative christian" that is the problem. It is the extreme end of the conservative movement that poses a risk to this country.

The far right extreme propaganda has a very deep psychological effect on those that are exposed to it continually, and it has created a section within our society that is obsessed with firearms, minorities, immigrants, socialists, liberals/progressives and a very unhealthy hatred for Obama. Many of them are convinced that there is a grand conspiracy against them. One that wants to disarm them, enslave them in socialism and force them to give up their faiths in order to become enveloped in to a new socialist world order.

Of course, that is complete nonsense. But they believe it. They believe the rhetoric, hyperbole and propaganda that is spread through right-wing radio, tv and internet media.

Sadly, many of you on this site believe it to. It is laid-out for us to see in the way you talk. The way you think. Instead of addressing an issue within the given context, many of you like to change the subject by making statements like "well, look what the blacks are doing". "Look at how many they kill", etc.

That's not how you need to approach this issue. That is simple deflection and a way to side-step certain realities that you are not mentally and emotionally ready to address.

The potential for acts of violence being committed by white, far-right extremists is increasing dramatically. The longer these people cut themselves off from reality and continually subject themselves to propaganda that tells them are being threatened by all of these outside forces, the more likely it is that they will eventually lash out violently.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

And you have proof that "someone" is planning a race war?

Look at the OP its based on the dude who shot up the church and killed a US senator to start a race war, that should be clear by now.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

And you have proof that "someone" is planning a race war?

Look at the OP its based on the dude who shot up the church and killed a US senator to start a race war, that should be clear by now.

And Charles Manson had a small cult and stabbed a bunch of people and smeared racist words all over the place in the victims' blood with the same intent ... Your point?

originally posted by: introvert
Well, this is an uncomfortable topic that seems to have brought out the emotions in some of us. Regardless of how this thread makes you feel, it is a reality that must be addressed.

There are a few of us within the pro-2nd amendment group that have recognized this potential and speak out against it very loudly. I cannot begin to tell you how many militia meetings, and others gatherings, I have attended and spoken at in order to open their eyes to what they are being subjected to, and the potential ramifications that may occur if their general thought continues to go in the directing it's heading.

I can tell you that this is a real problem. It is not the general "white conservative christian" that is the problem. It is the extreme end of the conservative movement that poses a risk to this country.

The far right extreme propaganda has a very deep psychological effect on those that are exposed to it continually, and it has created a section within our society that is obsessed with firearms, minorities, immigrants, socialists, liberals/progressives and a very unhealthy hatred for Obama. Many of them are convinced that there is a grand conspiracy against them. One that wants to disarm them, enslave them in socialism and force them to give up their faiths in order to become enveloped in to a new socialist world order.

Of course, that is complete nonsense. But they believe it. They believe the rhetoric, hyperbole and propaganda that is spread through right-wing radio, tv and internet media.

Sadly, many of you on this site believe it to. It is laid-out for us to see in the way you talk. The way you think. Instead of addressing an issue within the given context, many of you like to change the subject by making statements like "well, look what the blacks are doing". "Look at how many they kill", etc.

That's not how you need to approach this issue. That is simple deflection and a way to side-step certain realities that you are not mentally and emotionally ready to address.

The potential for acts of violence being committed by white, far-right extremists is increasing dramatically. The longer these people cut themselves off from reality and continually subject themselves to propaganda that tells them are being threatened by all of these outside forces, the more likely it is that they will eventually lash out violently.

Bravo you see the deflection away from the topic and that many cant address the elephant in the room which is racism and far right ideology of using guns to take back the country and the false narrative of the white supremacy ideology.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I'm still waiting for proof that this is anything other than a narrative you have constructed in your own head based off one incident.

a reply to: Telos

It's not about white pride though is it?

Its about the problem with white supremacy, which is what extreme right wing elements subscribe to in truth.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Telos

It's not about white pride though is it?

Its about the problem with white supremacy, which is what extreme right wing elements subscribe to in truth.

The rub is how many and how dominant are they? Roof acted in part and felt isolated because even among those who would be considered his ideological peers, no one was willing to go along with him.

But of course, the OP seems to feel we should more or less round everyone even loosely associated with this ideology up because it will make everyone else much safer.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Bravo you see the deflection away from the topic and that many cant address the elephant in the room which is racism and far right ideology of guns taking back the country and the false narrative of the white supremacy ideology.

But I don't think you understand that they don't see it as being a white supremacist ideology. They don't necessarily believe that their race is superior. They have been taught that these certain groups, inner city blacks, immigrants, socialists, and many others, are a threat to them and their way of life. So subconsciously they learn to hate these people because of that perceived threat they pose. Racism IS a factor that must be included, as there are many that hate certain groups because of their skin color and lack the testicular fortitude to admit it, but it's not the main driving force behind their ideology.

We must also recognize that these people are not just a threat to minorities or homosexuals, etc. They are a threat to everyone. They are a huge threat to our 2nd amendment rights.

a reply to: introvert

So, are you going to round us up? Shoot us? What are you going to do with us?

Because, make no mistake, you just revealed yourself. You don't believe this is actually about white supremacy (skin color is accidental as you admit; there can be and are people of all ethnicities in this mythical group you fear); you admit this is about people who hold a different ideology to your own that you find to be threatening and fearful.

So rather than try to convince us that we are in error, you would rather forcibly, possibly violently, remove us.

Will you be the one to march my family off to the trains at gunpoint?

Well played OP, well played!

Tie racism in with anti-government sentiments. Therefore, if you're against government encroachment of freedoms and liberties, you're also branded a racist.

If you adopt individualism, you are, by default, adopting racism.

the two are not mutually exclusive.

I call epic fail on the thread, but a nice attempt at generating a false paradigm.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
I'm a conservative, does that make me a racist? Would you care to know what my beliefs are exactly? Probably not.

No, I'm sure my voice will one day be stifled by the mass screamings of "racist" or "bigot". And I'll be lumped together with those who are, by people with nothing more than assumptions, simply because of that C word. Btw that's bigotry.

Being unable to differentiate the good from the bad is going to set a far more dangerous precedent later on.

Oh come on now. You can believe anything you want to believe, as long as what you believe meets government and liberal approval. That's reasonable and common sense, right?

" 'The Far Right Racists Being Seen As Future Anti-Government Domestic Terrorists' "

They said the same thing in the 90's.

And look who did 9/11

Explain that away.



And maybe explain the massive murder and crime rates in the big cities *Not* controlled by "Far Right Racists".



And of course, let explore how to do away with "Far Right Racists".

a reply to: ketsuko

So, are you going to round us up? Shoot us? What are you going to do with us?

I did not say anything close to that. Why would you take your assumption to such an extreme? In fact, I said in my post what I do. I talk to people. I talk to hundreds, if not thousands of people about this issue. It is language that made these people believe what they believe and it is language that will get them to see the error in that thinking.

Because, make no mistake, you just revealed yourself.

How can I reveal myself when I was not hiding anything whatsoever. I thought I laid it out pretty clearly.

You don't believe this is actually about white supremacy

I don't believe the majority of the people I am talking about think they are superior because of their race, no.

you admit this is about people who hold a different ideology to your own that you find to be threatening and fearful.

Perhaps you didn't read my post? This is not about conservative ideology. It is the very extreme end of that ideology that I speak of. You may not even fall in to that category, if you have a conservative ideology. I believe most people that consider themselves conservative do not fit in to that category. It is only the extreme I am addressing.

So rather than try to convince us that we are in error, you would rather forcibly, possibly violently, remove us.

Will you be the one to march my family off to the trains at gunpoint?

Once again, I said nothing of the sort and I do not believe that is the answer. How can we have a productive conversation on the topics if you take huge leaps in logic to come to such an emotional and, frankly, ridiculous conclusion?

I want to have a conversation. That's all. Any claim that I wan to round these people up and remove them has no basis in reality.