Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide

Its not the particular ruling that bothers me but rather the wider implications of the precedent set and its long term effects on the constitution itself.

The 10th amendment just got virtually destroyed. The delegation of powers is basically null and void as the ruling totally ignores that clause if not outright violates it.

The first amendment is severely damaged due to the clever misuse of wording and omission of the word "exercise" regards religion.

A very vocal MINORITY got their way today, however one has to look further down the road as to the true nature of these rulings.

I hazard that the authors of the 14th amendment never contemplated todays use of it and had they known doubt they'd pass it as it is.

Similarly as time passes I predict those who cheer today will rue the coming misuse of the precedent.

JMHO

a reply to: ketsuko

Right, we wont stop there because there are many more steps towards full-equality

but how does this take away your freedom of speech?

originally posted by: ketsuko
This is the time when the 1st Amendment began to die.

The government finally forcing the Christian religion out of the government in regards to marriage is when the 1st Amendment began to die? The very same Amendment that guarantees that the state can't honor a specific religion over another one?

Nothing now stops the whole sale attack on churches and people of faith that has already begun. The attorney defending the plaintiffs has already admitted that those who refuse to marry or teach marriage as anything other than between a man and woman (the Biblical view) can and will likely face Federal sanction now.

Nothing except the Bill of Rights which haven't changed in the slightest.

So much for Congress shall make no law ...

Congress didn't make any laws... This was a Supreme Court ruling that OVERTURNED laws written by the States.

And when we find out where the 1st stands in respect to the 14th, it will mean that the other parts of the 1st can also be stricken in favor of making us all equal in every way. Good-bye freedom of speech. Good-bye freedom of press, Good-bye right to criticize government. Good-bye right to assemble ... You can't neatly weaken or abridge one of those without weakening them all.

And if you think the gay lobby will stop here, you mistake their intent.

Holy slippery slope Batman!

a reply to: Phoenix

Again how does it take away your freedom to believe and worship who and what you want?

a reply to: ketsuko

Sorry for your loss!

a reply to: Phoenix

Is like everything, some like me see this as an equal rights ruling, while others will see in different terms depending of their understanding of what they perceive right or wrong,

If we humans were of a collective mind we will be one of the most enlightened species in the universe.

But diversity and freedom of choice makes us unique.

The first same sex marriage in Dallas, Texas... these two men waited fifty-five years.

originally posted by: Phoenix
Its not the particular ruling that bothers me but rather the wider implications of the precedent set and its long term effects on the constitution itself.

The 10th amendment just got virtually destroyed. The delegation of powers is basically null and void as the ruling totally ignores that clause if not outright violates it.

No more so then when the Supreme Court overturned bans on interracial marriages. Why aren't you complaining about that trampling of the 10th?

The first amendment is severely damaged due to the clever misuse of wording and omission of the word "exercise" regards religion.

No it hasn't. Your church has EVERY right to continue to not marry gay people. No state is allowed to prevent that from happening though. I REALLY wish you guys would learn the difference between the state and religion. Also, while you are at it. Go reeducate yourself on what these rights you are lamenting have been trampled even say and mean.

A very vocal MINORITY got their way today, however one has to look further down the road as to the true nature of these rulings.

Equality for all. Sucks doesn't it?

I hazard that the authors of the 14th amendment never contemplated todays use of it and had they known doubt they'd pass it as it is.

You mean the authors of the amendment that demanded free treatment of minorities wouldn't have wanted free treatment for a minority group?

Similarly as time passes I predict those who cheer today will rue the coming misuse of the precedent.

JMHO

Just like we are all ruing the use of the precedent set by the Supreme Court overturning interracial marriage bans right?

originally posted by: kitzik
Having babies with same sex is not natural.

I don't think that's news... It's actually not possible.

I'm not against allowing adopting kids, but I refuse to call this in a traditional word "marriage".

That's OK. You don't have to call it anything.

Naming unnatural phenomenon with the same moniker is a bad thing, it is blurring the original meaning of the word.

You are entitled to your opinion that it's a "bad thing".

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So call it "state approved union of two persons"

Sure you can call it whatever you want to call it. I don't care, nor does the state. But the state and I are going to call it marriage.

Liberty and equal protection under the law has won a small victory among the many battles yet to come.

originally posted by: ketsuko
This is the time when the 1st Amendment began to die.

How's that? All first amendment rights are intact.

Nothing now stops the whole sale attack on churches and people of faith that has already begun. The attorney defending the plaintiffs has already admitted that those who refuse to marry or teach marriage as anything other than between a man and woman (the Biblical view) can and will likely face Federal sanction now.

The first amendment protects churches. As I said, it is intact. There are no "attacks" on people of faith.

So much for Congress shall make no law ...

What? Congress has not made any laws here. The Supreme Court upheld the Constitution.

And when we find out where the 1st stands in respect to the 14th, it will mean that the other parts of the 1st can also be stricken in favor of making us all equal in every way. Good-bye freedom of speech. Good-bye freedom of press, Good-bye right to criticize government. Good-bye right to assemble ...

None of this is true. What do you think happened today? There is NO contradiction in the 1st and 14th... I'm confused why you think there is...

And if you think the gay lobby will stop here, you mistake their intent.

They probably won't stop until discrimination against them stops.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

If its limited to government office civil marriage only then what the hey, however if its construed to cover church sanctioned marriage then SCOTUS just negated half of the 1st amendment and thats unconstitutional no matter the ruling.

The clear answer will be readily apparent when the first pastor refuses based of belief and gets sued for civil rights violation or a church lose tax exempt status.

By the by - separation of church and state is an outright myth, what constitution says is make no law either for of against - IE government has no business whatsoever ruling on ANYTHING religious.

To wit,

First Amendment - Religion and Expression.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

I guess next you folks will be saying it says "congress" but not supreme court.

a reply to: ketsuko

Lets see...

How many people in the general, straight population sue companies for refusing service or engage in frivolous lawsuits? It's a pretty small minority...

Now, lets take a minority of a minority...that's a REEEEEALY small number.

I think you are bemoaning over something very small and trivial, and working yourself up into fear over something that will very likely be a non-issue.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I'm all about that robot body, assuming I could keep my flesh suit on ice if I didn't like the robot body...

I'd happily go for a pain free body.

originally posted by: ketsuko
This is the time when the 1st Amendment began to die.

Nothing now stops the whole sale attack on churches and people of faith that has already begun. The attorney defending the plaintiffs has already admitted that those who refuse to marry or teach marriage as anything other than between a man and woman (the Biblical view) can and will likely face Federal sanction now.

So much for Congress shall make no law ...

And when we find out where the 1st stands in respect to the 14th, it will mean that the other parts of the 1st can also be stricken in favor of making us all equal in every way. Good-bye freedom of speech. Good-bye freedom of press, Good-bye right to criticize government. Good-bye right to assemble ... You can't neatly weaken or abridge one of those without weakening them all.

And if you think the gay lobby will stop here, you mistake their intent.

If that slope were any more slippery, it would be frictionless and in violation of newton's laws of motion.

That slope was so slippery it broke physics.

"The gays can marry?! CHRISTIAN DEATH CAMPS! STATE OWNED MEDIA! EXECUTION OF DISSENTERS! EXECUTION OF PROTESTERS!"

You folks really crack me up.

a reply to: Phoenix

Shouldn't that minority be treated equally under the LAW of the government? The government doesn't have a stance on weather it's morally correct to be a same-sex couple.

I see a lot of arguments that are very, very "reaching" and grasping to extreme hypothetical to justify their ulterior distaste for LGBT lifestyles.

ketsuko Churches will not be sanction for defending their version of biblical teachings about marriage that is protected under their freedom of religion, but they no longer will be enforcing this believes outside the church unto those that do not believe in the same way of thinking and to influence decisions on government matters.

This is about rights, human rights, not about religious rights, no religious right has been trample, here.

I doubt that any church that doesn't want to perform same sex unions will be force into doing it, this law is for the states and for the issue of licenses by the state at government level

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: ketsuko

Sorry for your loss!

It is a loss - it is a terrible, tragic loss for our nation - perversion believes it has won the day.

...the Son of Man will give charge to his angels, and they will gather up all that gives offence in his kingdom, all those who do wickedly in it, and will cast them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping, and gnashing of teeth. Then, at last, the just will shine out, clear as the sun, in their Father’s kingdom.Listen, you that have ears to hear with.

It should be a day of sackcloth and ashes.

originally posted by: Phoenix
The 10th amendment just got virtually destroyed. The delegation of powers is basically null and void as the ruling totally ignores that clause if not outright violates it.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Equal treatment under the law is delegated to the United States by the Constitution (14th amendment), so this is not a states rights matter.

A very vocal MINORITY got their way today, however one has to look further down the road as to the true nature of these rulings.

The majority of US citizens wanted this. The majority got their way today.