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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
I agree, and I think this ideology of turning something religious into something political speaks volumes about the fact that religion exists solely as a political tool.
People will vote for someone solely based on their religious affiliation regardless of their policies a good majority of the time. As long as they parrot their particular religions ideologies they'll vote for them, let's ignore the fact that they're just pandering to a certain demographic and will end up looking after themselves and their job security only. Where's job security? Where the money is. Money has no religious or political affiliation.
originally posted by: borntowatch
It wasnt her religion that caused the Japanese to expand their empire and slaughter millions.
The saddest thing are posts like these that have offered nothing of value but "hey look at this video".
Its not the religions fault, its the person reading and understanding it.
All white US people are racists and want to bring back slavery and kill black people in their churches. I hate white American crackers. I will always speak out against the stupidity of White Americans because they are all like that fella who shot dead all those coloured people in that church.
Yes I know my comments are stupid, so is the OPs premise, thats my point.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
originally posted by: luthier
Truth is they have faith god doesn't exist but can't prove it.
I would argue you can prove or disprove specific gods, easily.
Maybe not the concept of a god, but those claimed by man?
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: luthier
Morals don't originate in religion, they originate within the soul of a person. We all have a naturally ingrained moral compass, whether we decide to follow it or ignore it is our decision alone.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: luthier
Well that's true for many atheists, but not all. But personal opinions on all sides, aside. Facts are facts. Not to be rude here, just probing your mind. How do you go about proving your god? How do you go about proving the gods of other religions false? You argue that you can't prove god doesn't exist. Do you apply that to other religions as well? At this point, how are you to work out which gods are real and which aren't? Are you judging solely based on your own religion (i.e. considering other religions works of the devil, myths, etc.) Do all gods exist? Do none?
The saddest thing are posts like these that have offered nothing of value but "hey look at this video".
originally posted by: luthier
I don't know Nietzsche sounds pretty insane to me and he was atheist. Without god and humbleness he could trample over other human beings to get whatever you want. Without morality you can do whatever you want. Read his work.
So it works both ways.
Exactly. Atheists think they are some how better and more scientific. Truth is they have faith god doesn't exist but can't prove it. atheist philosophers are the ones most responsible for capitalism and the dog eat dog nature of it. With god out of the way and morality you can treat your fellow man however you want. What is stopping you?
Christianity deprived us of the benefits of Greek and Roman cultures. Over two thousand years ago, the Greeks and the Romans had discovered the scientific method. They possessed "...the methodical research, the genius of organization and administration, the faith in, the will to, man's future, the great Yes to all things .But it was ruined by cunning, stealthy, invisible, anemic vampires....
Friedrich Nietzsche
So many christians, so few Lions
Me
originally posted by: Dr1Akula
originally posted by: luthier
I don't know Nietzsche sounds pretty insane to me and he was atheist. Without god and humbleness he could trample over other human beings to get whatever you want. Without morality you can do whatever you want. Read his work.
So it works both ways.
We don't need God to distinguish good from bad,
If we did, then killing first born Egyptian babies, flooding the entire world killing millions, wiping out cities (Sodom and Gomorrah), killing pagans, Babylonians, treat Gentiles like animal, beating your slaves, stoning your wife, and many more
would be perfectly moral.
But guess what... all the above aren't moral, and so your God isn't moral, so he and his followers are the last ones to have any authority on morality.
Also living a life full of sin, including killing as many as you like, stealing, lying and whatever other immorality you can think of, is ok as long as you accept Christ, confess and ask for forgiveness, your soul will be saved.
Some saints of the christian church did exactly that, but they are still considered saints!
Finally, I understand if you don't like Nietzsche, or if you don't agree with his views, but calling him insane for speaking reason to a theocratic society is beyond me.
Maybe if you take off the religious dogma blinkers for a moment, you could understand his POV much better.
Exactly. Atheists think they are some how better and more scientific. Truth is they have faith god doesn't exist but can't prove it. atheist philosophers are the ones most responsible for capitalism and the dog eat dog nature of it. With god out of the way and morality you can treat your fellow man however you want. What is stopping you?
The video is a bright example how religious parochialism can alter someones perception of reality, signs of which are also apparent in your post...
Having said that, I can't blame you or any other religious individual, probably sincere and otherwise moral people, for thinking this way and acting hatred, about atheists or other groups of people including homosexuals,
but I can blame your religion for that...
I also blame your religion for destroying science, philosophy, art, priceless monuments, literature, knowledge, logic and reason, bringing the dark ages, enslaving the known world into a tyrannic theocracy and literally taking the world nearly 2000 years back in progress.
Christianity deprived us of the benefits of Greek and Roman cultures. Over two thousand years ago, the Greeks and the Romans had discovered the scientific method. They possessed "...the methodical research, the genius of organization and administration, the faith in, the will to, man's future, the great Yes to all things .But it was ruined by cunning, stealthy, invisible, anemic vampires....
Friedrich Nietzsche
So many christians, so few Lions
Me
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: luthier
It makes perfect sense and is widely known. I haven't read any academic papers on atheism so I don't know what their authors may say on the matter. Nor am I concerned because, as I said it's widely known and accepted concept.
An atheist is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Do you believe in a God or gods?
If the answer is no, you're an atheist.
Do you believe in the concept or idea of a God or gods?
You can answer yes, and still be an atheist. There is a difference between rejecting gods that have been claimed to exist, and rejecting the concept that there may very well be one. One.. but not any of the ones claimed to exist because as yet, the evidence of their existence crumbles upon scrutiny. IMHO.
Sounds like you are a Christian?
And you easily dismiss man made gods and faith yet don't give them the same respect and standard of evidence you apply to your own beliefs?
To each their own. Going to off topic here anyway..
originally posted by: luthier
Not Christian at all. Don't believe in the bible at all. I am a deist.
I am however a student of philosophy and thus so have seen these arguments run out to there extreme by other philosophers.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: luthier
A lot of the time our moral compasses are influenced by the environment around us, but all morality has one thing in common, the desire to be treated well. If we want to be treated well and we realize this about others, we see that to hurt another is wrong. If someone treats another badly all while knowing they want to be treated well, that is to go against their naturally ingrained moral compass. We all want to be treated well, we all know others want to be treated well too, so those who hurt others are going against that moral compass within themselves.
Morality can have many gray areas but they all have that one thing in common.