Did someone kill Pope John Paul I

In light of recent events and actions of Pope Francis the last time the RCC had a Pontiff like this was back when JPI was elected and he like Francis shook things up.John Paul I had decided to fight the Vatican Bank and had begin to take a look at it's operations he also was looking at several other reforms and was about to change course on birth control.

I truly believe that Pope Francis will die suddenly because of natural causes, like a heartattack or stroke in maybe a year.
He shakes things up, asks questions, wants to reform parts of the church and this doesn't sit well with some people in the vatican.

a reply to: Talliostro

Do not hope for that, as the current Pope is the last one.

a reply to: mike dangerously

IMHO, I believe JP1 was killed because he went against what the Jesuits wanted.

Now we have a Jesuit running the show.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
a reply to: Talliostro

Do not hope for that, as the current Pope is the last one.

If you believe that sort of thing.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
a reply to: Talliostro

Do not hope for that, as the current Pope is the last one.

If you believe that sort of thing.

Dismissive...

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
a reply to: Talliostro

Do not hope for that, as the current Pope is the last one.

If you believe that sort of thing.

Dismissive...

Of prophesied happenings being factual?

Absolutely.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey


Of prophesied happenings being factual?

Absolutely.

Presently, we shall see.

a reply to: Lazarus Short

Agreed...but if nothing happens, will you accept that? And if something does, can you admit to the possibility that the prophesy guided it to happen and that is wasn't something preordained?

It's like in "The Matrix:" If the Oracle hadn't said anything, would Neo still have broken the vase?

Frustratingly, that will always be a philosophical question until time travel is a reality.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Ah, but did the Oracle know ahead of time? Did Saint Malachy know ahead of time?

Now that is a rabbit hole.
The Church, Freemasons, P2, the Mafia, Silvio Berlusconi, spies, murdered bankers.... What a recipe, even the Godfather 3 mentioned it in its plot if I remember correctly.
I feel that both JPI and currently Francis are honestly good trying to do what they believe is right.
And like someone else said I wouldn't be surprised if something happens to Francis
What I don't get though, is if there really is this shadowy organisation behind the curtains, why let people like JP I or Francis come to power.

a reply to: mike dangerously

I believe the Vatican Banking crew took Pope John Paul 1 out quick. If one looks into it...quite a bit of HUGE money laundering from and through the Vatican "banks" and the guy who ran and started them.

The Pope needed to be gone quick...and they made it happen. No autopsy, no investigation, open and shut, cut and dried.
Room clean, no signs of anything amiss, lying peacefully in bed. Nun who found him ordered to a vow of silence transferred out and away, his room completely cleaned out and redone in 24 hours thereabout.

His demise is a true conspiracy....

a reply to: mysterioustranger

I read into this too many years ago to remember, but I do recall being cynical about the natural death.

Your list reminded me how easy it is for the coorupt to do whatever the hell they want.

originally posted by: Talliostro
I truly believe that Pope Francis will die suddenly because of natural causes, like a heartattack or stroke in maybe a year.
He shakes things up, asks questions, wants to reform parts of the church and this doesn't sit well with some people in the vatican.

I disagree. He was a front runner to be the previous pope, and he got it this time around. That doesn't happen unless you have a lot of political support. I'm sure he has a lot of enemies internally but he likely also has even more allies.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Lazarus Short

Agreed...but if nothing happens, will you accept that? And if something does, can you admit to the possibility that the prophesy guided it to happen and that is wasn't something preordained?

It's like in "The Matrix:" If the Oracle hadn't said anything, would Neo still have broken the vase?

Frustratingly, that will always be a philosophical question until time travel is a reality.

Time travel must be a reality, because it will be conquered in the future, and once someone comes back here to visit us, it becomes real for us as well.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Remember too the Vatican is a country....with it's own soverenty and lwas. They have to obey or listen to no nation or laws but theirs.

Convenient, huh?

Thanks for the reply...MS

a reply to: charlyv

Not unless you need a mechanical device through which to arrive...then time travel will only exist from the point of its discovery.

But this derails the topic dramatically.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
a reply to: SlapMonkey

Ah, but did the Oracle know ahead of time? Did Saint Malachy know ahead of time?

That's my point...we'll never know (but both are good, entertaining stories).

I think all of the supernatural happenings in religion are misunderstandings of a less-scientific people with a lack of understanding of the natural world, or are the products of overactive imaginations. I tend to fall on the "probably-not" side of the answer to your question.

But I'm not arrogant enough to decisively answer "no" to your question, because like I said, we'll never know...although I have my suspicions.

a reply to: athousandlives They think that men like JPI and Francis will play ball only to find out that these guys are truly spiritually devoted and incorruptible.

I think he was probably murdered, but even if not there was still clearly some kind of cover-up over his death, that much is obvious by the way the Vatican behaved after his death - clearing his apartments of all reference to him, embalming his body within 24 hours etc. I wrote a long article about this here theunredacted.com...

The motive was obvious, Albino Luciani had lifted the lid on what was going on in the Vatican bank and its colossal corruption and criminality.