My Final Thoughts on Gun Control

After watching those two videos you should have a sense of how I feel about my right to keep and bear arms. For my security, that of my family, and extended to my fellow citizens.

Every time a nutjob shoots up a place, like recently in South Carolina, guns are immediately vilified as the root cause of the problem. Nevermind that this took place in a "gun free zone". Nevermind that murder is already illegal. Nevermind that a background check has NEVER stopped anyone from committing a crime. Nevermind any of that.

My rights are not contingent on your feelings. I don't care what you think about my right to bear arms because you don't like what criminals do with guns. Guess what? Neither do I.

Your idea of prevention is to ban guns. Nevermind that only people who follow laws will be affected. Your idea is to violate my 4th Amendment rights in order to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights. Nevermind you complain about things like the PATRIOT Act, or the NDAA.

Your idea is to cut the horns off the gazelle in a misguided effort to protect a herd threatened by WOLVES.

I'm not falling victim to this. I'm not debating this BS anymore. I'm not participating in gun control threads beyond this one any longer. I am not going to repeat myself. The Coiled Rattlesnake has warned, and warned, and warned not to TREAD ON ME. I am not the only one who sees it.

If you want my guns, come and take them. End of story. I don't care about your laws, your feelings, or your BS statistics. I'm done talking. At some point a decision has to be made about what course we want, not just for ourselves as individuals, but as a Nation. We were forged in the conflagration of revolution against tyranny, confiscatory policies, abuse, and state sponsored theft. If you want to ban my only means of effective self defense and you don't care what of my other rights you violate to do it, then you are the enemy.

You, the gun grabber, are a coward. You want to ban all Americans from owning guns. You want them confiscated and you want to send men with guns to get it done. You want to see your fellow Americans rounded up, shot, and property confiscated because you don't like guns. You want law abiding Americans to turn in their guns, to give up their property without due process, at the whim of bureaucrats, corrupt politicians, and their jack boot enforcers, just to satisfy your misguided notion of who is actually responsible for your safety.

The debate, on my end, is over.

You want my guns, you'd better bring yours.

originally posted by: projectvxn

You want my guns, you'd better bring yours.

Molon labe, brother.

a reply to: projectvxn

You want my guns, you'd better bring yours.

Thing is they aren't coming to get them, they pass laws requiring "law abiding citizens" to voluntarily hand them over, eventually.

A little magazine capacity here, a little barrel length there, piecemeal infringement. Not so anyone notices, but over time, accomplishes a circumvent to your stand on those rights. Your grandsons won't be able to legally own the firearms you do today. They will have long become illegal.

Self defense against tyranny is not going to be allowed.

originally posted by: projectvxn

After watching those two videos you should have a sense of how I feel about my right to keep and bear arms. For my security, that of my family, and extended to my fellow citizens.

Every time a nutjob shoots up a place, like recently in South Carolina, guns are immediately vilified as the root cause of the problem. Nevermind that this took place in a "gun free zone". Nevermind that murder is already illegal. Nevermind that a background check has NEVER stopped anyone from committing a crime. Nevermind any of that.

My rights are not contingent on your feelings. I don't care what you think about my right to bear arms because you don't like what criminals do with guns. Guess what? Neither do I.

Your idea of prevention is to ban guns. Nevermind that only people who follow laws will be affected. Your idea is to violate my 4th Amendment rights in order to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights. Nevermind you complain about things like the PATRIOT Act, or the NDAA.

Your idea is to cut the horns off the gazelle in a misguided effort to protect a herd threatened by WOLVES.

I'm not falling victim to this. I'm not debating this BS anymore. I'm not participating in gun control threads beyond this one any longer. I am not going to repeat myself. The Coiled Rattlesnake has warned, and warned, and warned not to TREAD ON ME. I am not the only one who sees it.

If you want my guns, come and take them. End of story. I don't care about your laws, your feelings, or your BS statistics. I'm done talking. At some point a decision has to be made about what course we want, not just for ourselves as individuals, but as a Nation. We were forged in the conflagration of revolution against tyranny, confiscatory policies, abuse, and state sponsored theft. If you want to ban my only means of effective self defense and you don't care what of my other rights you violate to do it, then you are the enemy.

You, the gun grabber, are a coward. You want to ban all Americans from owning guns. You want them confiscated and you want to send men with guns to get it done. You want to see your fellow Americans rounded up, shot, and property confiscated because you don't like guns. You want law abiding Americans to turn in their guns, to give up their property without due process, at the whim of bureaucrats, corrupt politicians, and their jack boot enforcers, just to satisfy your misguided notion of who is actually responsible for your safety.

The debate, on my end, is over.

You want my guns, you'd better bring yours.

Well said.

a reply to: projectvxn

I stand with you 100%, but until those who don't get it, can see it explained in a way that makes it click, we will continue to have the knee jerk reactions. I know the frustration, but giving up is not now, and has never been an option. If we take the zero now, it just keeps getting easier in the future. When you are tired of standing up, another brother will help you stand.

Someone has always got your 6.

a reply to: projectvxn

AMEN Brother!

Say it loud and say it proud!

a reply to: network dude

I'm not giving up.

I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

Like I said, I'm not arguing anymore, trying to reason with the unreasonable, trying to change minds when the goal is so obvious.

They want good, obedient sheep. They want slaves to their system.

I won't be part of it. I don't care about the idiots who parrot the BS they hear in the media. They are no better than programmed robots to do the bidding of their masters. They are easily fooled by buzzwords, weak arguments, and blatant intellectual dishonesty.

These people have NO IDEA what it would actually mean to start confiscating weapons from good people. They have no idea the outright, HOT war they would be cheering on.

The people who want to restrict our rights to firearms, a constitutional right. Are the same ones who always rally around the first amendment, if it fits there narrative. All the while not realizing the first is protected by and would not exist without the second. If you don't think the left wants to take away your rights, then take you head out of the sand. It's the dream of all liberal utopias, and many times then mass killings of the unfavorables. ( Cambodia 1.5 million, China 20 million, Germany 17 or so million, Russia 20million. But who's counting )

So quiet I will stay.

No more arguing. The only argument will be had when these idiots try to kick my door down to abuse my family and I, and to take our property. My argument will travel at 2200 FPS, and I am a damned good shot.

My question to gun grabbers is this:

Who will enforce your war on the law abiding?
How many lives are you willing to sacrifice to bring about your "peace" and "security"?

I have sympathy for you Americans...

But please stop the "come and get them" speeches online...

You already have the 2nd and intelligent debate to save your firearms...

"Come and get them" doesn't sound like the manifesto of a "well regulated militia"...

It sounds like the anxious ramblings of the trigger happy.




At a fork in the road?
It's quite clear which path needs to be taken...

Other wise a very short, one sided, government sanctioned civil war will rain down on all you innocent gun owners.




Just to add; I'm pro 2nd.

I'm just anti-walk into the bear trap.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Other wise a very short, one sided, government sanctioned civil war will rain down on all you innocent gun owners.

Short? No. One-sided? Yes, and not in the way you expect.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

You don't get it.

It isn't my firearms I worry about.

My firearms are inanimate objects that represent no intent other than that which I convey with my actions.

My firearms have no feelings nor conscience to fear for their future.

I don't actually care about my firearms at all. I care about my firearms in the same way I care about my table vise, or a hammer.

I care about my liberty. I care about my liberty like I care about my wife and kids. I love liberty deeply and will jealously guard it like I would my wife or kids from those who think they can take them away from me.

My family isn't up for debate anymore than my liberty.

originally posted by: projectvxn
So quiet I will stay.

No more arguing. The only argument will be had when these idiots try to kick my door down to abuse my family and I, and to take our property. My argument will travel at 2200 FPS, and I am a damned good shot.

My question to gun grabbers is this:

Who will enforce your war on the law abiding?
How many lives are you willing to sacrifice to bring about your "peace" and "security"?

That's about where I am at my friend!

Funny how those who scream for gun control are sitting comfortably behind their keyboards bashing LEO's that they are blanket statementing calling racists/murderers expecting someone else to die for what they so strongly believe in?

I will gladly give my weapon over to any Progressive that feels so unsafe and so convinced in their belief that THEY are willing to show their conviction by putting THEIR LIFE on the line! *wink*

a reply to: projectvxn

Molon labe brother!!!!

Don't let them get to you, they believe the gov will protect them.

When in fact most of the worlds atrocities are gov induced.

You are not falling on all deaf ears.

Many of us are seeing what you see, hearing what you hear, and feel as you feel.

The reason they are so loud is because it takes a great cacophony to drown out the whispers of truth.

Just keep whispering, they can't stand it.

a reply to: projectvxn

Well... only two things to say, one of them not strictly related to this thread. First, the not strictly related to this thread section of my post.

Is that a H.A.L.O. drop suit helmet you are wearing? And no, I do not mean the computer game.

Now for the strictly on topic part of my post.

I completely and utterly agree with everything you just said. A persons rights under the law, and under the founding document of his or her nation, no matter which nation that is, should NOT be infringed for any reason, no matter how apparently justifiable, and especially when that founding document is as well put together, well reasoned, and timelessly sensible in its approach, as the one that the United States was founded on. The specific amendment which is under scrutiny here, and has been for many years in the US, was based on a similar section in a document issued in my nation.

The fact that my nations population do not have the same ACCESS to those rights as folk living across the pond, makes me livid, and more so the more my government decide that it is appropriate to monitor everyones internet information without probable cause, to label folk like me a potential terror threat because we discuss conspiracy and have a problem with our governments actions and attitudes....

Your OP is right on the money.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

And that's the best part of "molon labe" Charlie.

The proverbial "you," who has disarmed yourselves, are going to take mine from me...how?

Despite what people what to think (especially here) the military and law enforcement is full of people who will NOT kick in doors to disarm the American populace wholesale.

a reply to: projectvxn

Well said...well put...well done. Us lawabiding members who are licensed to own and carry...applaud your thread.

We shall be responsible as long as we live...and as long as the bad guys get guns...theyll never get ours.

Thank you for your thread.

MS

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Other wise a very short, one sided, government sanctioned civil war will rain down on all you innocent gun owners.

Short? No. One-sided? Yes, and not in the way you expect.

Please Augustus, you're smarter than to believe your competently armed civilians could stop the government.

I say competently to highlight a percentage who would actually fight back instead of handing over their weapons to the gestapo...

I say competently to highlight a percentage who will last the first month of an onslaught...



Who do you think NATO will side with?
Your government? Or you?
Who do you think a majority of your military would side with?
Your government? Or you?

You'll be labelled a domestic enemy...
That's how it will go down, that's how the media will portray it, and that's how intelligence services will be advising on military strategy...


And the military are there to protect from domestic enemies.


I'm ranting, apologies.

*This is an opinionated post... Not a rallying cry*

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I have sympathy for you Americans...

But please stop the "come and get them" speeches online...

You already have the 2nd and intelligent debate to save your firearms...

"Come and get them" doesn't sound like the manifesto of a "well regulated militia"...

It sounds like the anxious ramblings of the trigger happy.




At a fork in the road?
It's quite clear which path needs to be taken...

Other wise a very short, one sided, government sanctioned civil war will rain down on all you innocent gun owners.




Just to add; I'm pro 2nd.

I'm just anti-walk into the bear trap.

Better than the Progressive agenda?

Hell, there was a thread yesterday where a Progressive got pissed off because someone brought up Nazi Germany and the in another answer turned around so pissed they said, "I would gladly escort your to that train."

Why is it offensive to bring up history bringing up what happened during the reign of Hitler, but yet it's okay to bring up slavery in the US?

History is how we learn from our mistakes from the past, and when I see people telling others that it is unacceptable to bring up history then yea, there is an agenda and definitely a reason!

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well... only two things to say, one of them not strictly related to this thread. First, the not strictly related to this thread section of my post.

Is that a H.A.L.O. drop suit helmet you are wearing? And no, I do not mean the computer game.

It is a Gentex aviators helmet with maxillofacial shield.

On topic:

Free people do not request the right to arms from masters. They have that right as a consequence of their humanity(what is commonly referred to as a God Given Right.)

There are not enough free minded people with willingness to liberate themselves and others in many parts of the world that so desperately need such a people.

Firearms, weapons in general, are not just a tool, they are liberty's teeth.