Southern Baptists urged to reject any laws legalizing gay marriage

originally posted by: deathslayer


Does gay marriage send the wrong signals to children?

How so? My nieces and nephews are probably the ones who deal with gay sexuality the best. Childrens' little minds have not been poisoned with societies anti-gay stereotyping. It's always amusing watching them figure it out. They look totally confused then start asking questions, then go quiet for a bit then are like "I want to play xyz game now' I've seen these people grow up into teenagers and none of them are gay themselves to the best of my knowledge, but they are not scared of their gay peers either. They view it as we all should - just another facet of life, the universe and everything.

If gay marriage is so widely accepted than why isn't it legal in all 50 states?

Dunno, why don't you go ask the states that haven't legalised it yet that question directly.

What does gay marriage say about the society that supports it?

It says that the people who support it are champions of the 'live and let live' cause. There is absolutely no reason why a country can't have it's devout Christians and married gay couples too. Christianity, or any other religion for that matter does not own the people, nor does it have the right to force it's doctrines upon the masses. However, those who choose to believe in it are more than welcome in an open and caring society, just as gay people are too.

For myself, I've always felt that if any two people want to get married, go for it!

However that being said, I've always stated that I don't condone gay marriage if there isn't the possibility of gay divorce.

I've seen a couple examples of people not being able to get a real divorce, based on where they live and their marriage not being recognized... It sucks... They get treated like roommates in the eyes of the law, and bad things happen.

Maybe it's time to do an end run and call the religious exchanging of vows a marriage concordat and a secular one a marriage contract? They would both be exactly the same, just extra wording in the name to let religious groups think they can look down their noses, and everyone else can continue to not give a rat's *** what the church thinks.

a reply to: HUMBLEONE

Ive felt that way a long time except I go further and reject all of that stuff.

I've seen these people grow up into teenagers and none of them are gay themselves to the best of my knowledge, but they are not scared of their gay peers either.

I don't know anyone who is 'scared' of gay people just disgusted by or morally opposed to.

Homophobia is a stupid term.

a reply to: Metallicus

What do you call it when you don't want to have sexual congress with someone of the same gender?

They deserve the right to be miserable and live throught a divorce like everyone else.

a reply to: deathslayer
Romans 13

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Hypocrites!



You forgot this part "Romans 13:13 Let us live in a right way, like people who belong to the day. We should not have wild parties or get drunk. There should be no sexual sins of any kind, no fighting or jealousy. 14 But clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ and forget about satisfying your sinful self."

We are to obey governments unless they violate Scripture. Acts 5:29 says, "We must obey God rather than men." If the government passes laws that go against God then we are to disobey that law. If they pass a law that says kill everyone over 40 should Christians obey that? Of course not. Governments are run by people and often become corrupt. The Bible never tells us to obey governments if its in contradiction to the revealed Word of God. Gay marriage is against God and therefore should never be accepted by Christians.

originally posted by: Metallicus

I've seen these people grow up into teenagers and none of them are gay themselves to the best of my knowledge, but they are not scared of their gay peers either.

I don't know anyone who is 'scared' of gay people just disgusted by or morally opposed to.

Homophobia is a stupid term.

Disgusted, scared call it whatever you want. My point is that children who are exposed to gay people are not affected by it. In the absence of societal preconceptions they just accept it as being different as having blonde hair, being left or right handed, being of a different race etc etc i.e. no big deal at all.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

"We must obey God rather than men."

According to those verses. Obeying the authorities IS obeying God, and Paul never included an "unless" in that chapter. So according to Paul, Peter disobeyed God by disobeying the authorities. As to Romans 13:13, I didn't forget it at all. Where is there a law in the U.S. that says you must practice homosexuality? There isn't one. All it says is they get equal treatment and status under the law. And what did Paul say about Judging those outside the church?
1Cor. 5

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges.

I find it interesting that early Christians had no issue with polygamy or owning slaves, but being gay would get you killed.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Metallicus

What do you call it when you don't want to have sexual congress with someone of the same gender?

Heterosexual?

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Metallicus

What do you call it when you don't want to have sexual congress with someone of the same gender?

I like looking at the nude female form as much as I do the nude male form. However, I have no interest in bumping uglies with other wimenz.

I think the technical term for that sexual preference is "heterosexual", my fluffy boy.

Since when are SBs even relevant on the grander scale of things? Even as mouthy as they are/were in FL, they don't accomplish socially much because people look at them & their mental spew and go "Ew. Not touching those folk."

They COULD just do the right thing & keep what that church thinks...in that church where it belongs.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

"We must obey God rather than men."

According to those verses. Obeying the authorities IS obeying God, and Paul never included an "unless" in that chapter. So according to Paul, Peter disobeyed God by disobeying the authorities. As to Romans 13:13, I didn't forget it at all. Where is there a law in the U.S. that says you must practice homosexuality? There isn't one. All it says is they get equal treatment and status under the law. And what did Paul say about Judging those outside the church?
1Cor. 5

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges.

I find it interesting that early Christians had no issue with polygamy or owning slaves, but being gay would get you killed.

I wont get into a Bible debate because that could take all night. My point is the SB's have a right to reject the laws regarding gay marriage because it is against God's law and Biblical teachings. Any laws that go against Biblical teachings by default must be rejected.

And for the record I haven't judged anyone. God has already judged the gay community and they will get what they deserve when the time comes.

a reply to: deathslayer

Many Countries have Legalized same-sex-marriage for years, their Children are doing fine, no one is marrying Animals, and the world has not ended.. i don't understand how America can be behind the times

a reply to: Darth_Prime

We are a conservative leaning country by any measurement. It takes awhile for us to catch up sometimes.

originally posted by: deathslayer

Prepare for civil disobedience.

That’s the message one prominent pastor is sending to some 16 million members of the Southern Baptist Convention.

Jack Graham, pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Texas, said American Christians should be prepared for massive fallout if the Supreme Court legalizes same-sex unions.

“We want to stay in the system,” Graham told me in a telephone interview. “We want to work in the system. We want to support our government. We want to obey its laws.”

But.

“But there’s a coming a day, I believe, that many Christians personally and churches corporately will need to practice civil disobedience on this issue.”
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Does gay marriage send the wrong signals to children?

If gay marriage is so widely accepted than why isn't it legal in all 50 states?

What does gay marriage say about the society that supports it?

Oh god, here we go again.

This proves once more that it is the Christians who are trying to install Christian Shariah on the rest of us in the West, and not the other way around. It proves that it is the Religious Right here in the US that wants to persecute other people and not allow them to fully be themselves.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: deathslayer
Romans 13

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Hypocrites!

You forgot this part "Romans 13:13 Let us live in a right way, like people who belong to the day. We should not have wild parties or get drunk. There should be no sexual sins of any kind, no fighting or jealousy. 14 But clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ and forget about satisfying your sinful self."

We are to obey governments unless they violate Scripture. Acts 5:29 says, "We must obey God rather than men." If the government passes laws that go against God then we are to disobey that law. If they pass a law that says kill everyone over 40 should Christians obey that? Of course not. Governments are run by people and often become corrupt. The Bible never tells us to obey governments if its in contradiction to the revealed Word of God. Gay marriage is against God and therefore should never be accepted by Christians.

First, gay marriage is not the same as killing everyone over 40. Sorry, false equivalency.

Second, you are free to disagree with gay marriage. You are not free to attempt to make the government stop gay marriage so you can feel comfy in your religious beliefs.

The Bible is only referring in that instance to laws requiring YOU to do something against your beliefs, not to other free peoples.

And if you attempt to stop others' rights in this regard, they have a right to fight back.

If you attempt to interfere extra-legally, you can and should be stopped, whether by government or someone else.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

"We must obey God rather than men."

According to those verses. Obeying the authorities IS obeying God, and Paul never included an "unless" in that chapter. So according to Paul, Peter disobeyed God by disobeying the authorities. As to Romans 13:13, I didn't forget it at all. Where is there a law in the U.S. that says you must practice homosexuality? There isn't one. All it says is they get equal treatment and status under the law. And what did Paul say about Judging those outside the church?
1Cor. 5

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges.

I find it interesting that early Christians had no issue with polygamy or owning slaves, but being gay would get you killed.

I wont get into a Bible debate because that could take all night. My point is the SB's have a right to reject the laws regarding gay marriage because it is against God's law and Biblical teachings. Any laws that go against Biblical teachings by default must be rejected.

And for the record I haven't judged anyone. God has already judged the gay community and they will get what they deserve when the time comes.

Well, please keep your personal beliefs to yourself and your church. You have no right to interfere in the laws for OTHER free peoples. That is persecution. This isn't a theocracy.

a reply to: Metallicus

Civil and Human rights shouldn't take a while to catch up on, it's a disgrace and reflective of it's populace

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

That sounds threatening but i'll bite What are we going to get? clouds full of Glitter? Rainbows?