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originally posted by: Scdfa
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Scdfa
Hello Scdfella.
I haven't bumped into you for a while and I actually think I've got used to you now. I think we know our views are somewhat apart and I accept that.
However what I'd like to know is where you actually stand on a couple of things.
i) I keep coming across how the intel boys seemed to have poisoned the ET subject (probably from 1947 onwards). Do you have a view on that? Are they heavily involved?
ii) In your experience are these aliens something from another world (like ours) or are they really 'alien' to us? What I mean by that is they exist beyond our own perceptions of reality. Call it a different dimension if you like.
1. I just don't know for certain, but, yes of course they have. Whoever "they" are. There is a clear record of decades of damage control, efforts to minimize the credibility of those with genuine information and experiences by promoting or inventing charlatans. But what do I know.
2.I really do not know this one.
If they ever told me, I can't consciously remember it.
I'm not sue to what degree my encounters are similar to others, but they don't volunteer a lot of information or answer a lot of questions. Some questions, yes, but you have to really impress them or annoy them to get their interest.
Nor do they ask many questions, usually they're all business.
Now that you make me think about it, I think they are on a very tight schedule. I can say that with conviction. I don't know if anyone ever said that about them before, I may be the first.
But back to your question on ET vs. Interdimensional.
Well, in another dimension, there might be planets too.
Or, they could be from another planet, here in our galaxy, or maybe another, and travel in some manner that we may consider to be interdimensional.
So couldn't they be both ET and interdimensional? You can probably throw time travel in there too.
I will say this. I once witnessed a flying saucer slowly 'fade in', until it was shiny, solid and focused, fifty feet in elevation, almost right above us. At first it was almost translucent. I'm convinced it was entering our dimension, our reality. But its starting point I can't say.
I'll also tell you this, and this is something I have not revealed to this point. One of them once told my brother of a future event, about a decade before it happened. It was an event that was reported nationally, but of questionable significance. If I told you what it was, you would not believe it.
But you don't think any of it is true anyway.
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
Please share what they told your brother, its not fair to tease us like that!
It seems, to me, that for every abductee claiming the 'truth,' there's another claiming an equal 'truth' and entirely different experiences. I wonder how Mack's cases were mostly positive whereas Jacobs' cases are suggestive of something cold bordering on evil? Or why Montaldo's ICAR cases describe reptilians, red-haired humans and evil aliens?
originally posted by: admirethedistance
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
Please share what they told your brother, its not fair to tease us like that!
I'm sure that he'll share it. Just as soon as he finishes coming up with it.
Whilst we're at it, what about the menagerie of past visitors? is it only the 'real' aliens that look like greys? Do we reject all the humanoid encounters claims from the 50s-70s as hoaxes and fables? 'Screen memories?' If we do, should we still believe the word of people saying they've passed time with greys? Are they all truthful, some of them truthful or maybe it's something else?
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Scdfa
Hello Scdfella,
Hope the family are OK by the way?
Anyway - I'm guilty of letting this thread drift a bit but I think what we are discussing is still relevant.
What do you think was going on during the 50s and the contactee era? Was it linked to later abductions?
(Anyway got attend to something now so won't be back until tomorrow!)
One thing that always bugged me about them was how concerned they always seemed to be about humanity screwing up the planet. If they were aliens, why would they care so much? However, if they were humans from an alternate future reality, then they might have a big reason to care, since it could threaten their very existence.
originally posted by: Kandinsky
Where you mention 'right around 1950,' I'd agree and move it back towards the mid-40s. It seems like Trinity Tests and intercontinental warheads coincided with the all the drama about foos, saucers and bizarre visitors. This technology can damage the planet or lead to us getting off it which supports these idle what-ifs.
(none of the above is a 'belief,' it's just speculating and imagining from historical case reports)
originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
... I guess i will take ur tip and start reading Jaques Vallee books. Im aware of his work just never actually read his books.
originally posted by: mirageman
But then what role do the little grey guys play?