Shock Video: Teen Boy Shot and Killed by Cop for Flashing Headlights and Flexing Rights

This is very sad and I have to say I hear alot of excuses for the officer but I dont agree.

Sure he was a cocky lad, lots of kids are, lots of kids do not understand what fair is and have a sence of self entitlement, you cant do this to me.

Times are changing, we used to have local beat bobbies (police officers) who came to our schools to talk to us, and we would see them driving around, they would stop and talk and make sure we were up to no good, we respected them, we certainly werent saints, one drove me home when i was pissed, another gave us a lecture on the dangers of setting fires. 6 of us were stopped and searched by a police officer and none of us argued or 'rushed him'.

The police need to be trained to deal with these situations and guess what, mouthy kids are part of life, you cant go around arresting them all and certainly not killing them.

If you have a guy like this, wait for back up and arrest him properly.

If I were a professional, like the police are supposed to be, that guy doesnt deserve a badge because he created the environment which ended in the killing of a 17 year old boy, he got it so wrong he is a danger to the public wearing a gun and a badge and because he failed, he should be tried, fired and hopefully sent to jail. Make other police think twice about how many options they have before fataly shooting people.

And if there is a regime back at the station, laughing at the cop because he couldnt arrest a 17 year old boy without backup, it needs finding and wiping out, a mandate that says you can not pull anyone out of a car unless there are other officers present, you have to call for back up.

I know people still get shot when others are around but this is unnaceptable - the poor family and friends of this kid.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: alienjuggalo

He did not deserve to be shot and killed! Period.

With that being said, he was asking for problems.

When he was pulled over, he showed how he is a victim of social engineering when the police officer said "I did not have my high beems on." What did the dude do? Argue with him!

Wouldn't it have been just as easy to say, "Wow! I'm sorry officer. I could have sworn your high beems were on so I was just flashing you to let you know. Sorry." End of story!

It just gets worse from there as this young kid did nothing more than dig his own grave!

Hate on the cops all you want, but when they pull you over? Don't be an idiot.

To refresh your memory? I already said, he didn't deserve to be shot and killed!

Or we could retrain the police. It's true that people who are stopped should patronize and pander to police officers ~ because anything else in this climate will get you killed. That still doesn't make it right. Time to review the function and purpose of the Police and combine it with the needs of the people. Anything else is heading toward a Police State. Nobody wants to go there.

a reply to: NoAngel2u

It's sad that you don't understand how those posts aren't trolling. Asking simple questions gets people to think, and if they answer it allows them to expound on the their thoughts that were obviously poorly put together.

Then for you to not even understand that this quote from me:

Are you saying the officer DIDN'T start the perfectly legal traffic stop in a calm and professional manner? Are you saying the kid followed the law and complied readily with the officers requests?

Is because you were saying I wasn't making a point, yet this quote/question from me:

So you didn't watch the video?

Was in response to someone who said the officer was being irrational...do you understand how context works?

This quote/question from me:

You've never seen an mma fight?

Was in response to someone who apparently didn't know that in an MMA fight (which the kid was trained in) the position of dominance can change in an instant.

Then to think that this quote:

To point out that this is undeniably on the officer.

Is somehow making a point, just because it uses the word point, is quite funny since that same poster says the officer should just let people break the law...because?.

Don't break the law, and don't attack a police officer, especially one who was extremely rational at the outset of the perfectly legal traffic stop. He gave the kid more than enough chances to comply.

Your.Bias.Is.Showing.

Did the kid break the law? Yes.
Did the kid refuse to comply? Yes.
Did the kid attack the officer? Yes.
Did the kid achieve a ground and pound position of dominance on the officer? Yes.

To think this is "on the officer" is just plain ignorant.

a reply to: raymundoko

Ill say this the police officer had every legal right to shoot him. But I also think we should expect more from the police. I think officers need to learn how to descalate a situation. This could have been prevented easily if the officer had used conflict resolutuon.

Now the other problem turns out the teen was disrepectful on purpose i read he had taken a recent intrests in personal rights. This Is why he thought he didn't have to give the officer his licence. He listened to those anti police websites and given poor advice. But we see it in this thread as well people think police are trying to take over their rights. And these people are getting people killed. Just someone reading this thread could easily cause an encounter with an officer to escalate to violence I've seen the threats on here. Police are paid to do a job it's a hard job and they don't deserve to be made public enemy number one. Now i will say they need to realize there are people out there like this thread. And as such i do think they need to learn how to deal with these confrontations as more people are brainwashed into the us vs them mentality.

a reply to: raymundoko

Yes, my bias was definately showing. I was not trying to disguise it. I agreed with the poster and that was my point.

Both the officer and the young man made choices that led to this very unfortunate end, imnho. I hold the officer to a higher standard. I think he could have prevented this. I bet he wishes he had.

originally posted by: NoAngel2u
a reply to: raymundoko

Yes, my bias was definately showing. I was not trying to disguise it. I agreed with the poster and that was my point.

Both the officer and the young man made choices that led to this very unfortunate end, imnho. I hold the officer to a higher standard. I think he could have prevented this. I bet he wishes he had.

Indeed, as an officer of public safety it falls under their duty; their duty transformed as a revenue generator helps to blind them from their first basic duty... protect all others equally under the law of the land, using the law, and living by the law sworn to protect... not become judge, jury, and executioner to those they serve.

The delusion of absolute power in one unworthy of it, corrupts... power in the hand of those worthy realize; with the responsibility of power, there comes great responsibility in maintaining it's balance... otherwise criminal and protector become one in the same, and indistinguishable... other than the very uniform they hold as a justification for who they delusion-ally think they are... and not what they are supposed to be.

And what does that have to do with the perfectly reasonable officer in this situation?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

a reply to: raymundoko

He was not being reasonable by posing a public safety hazard with overly bright headlights that were obviously causing other drivers a problem.

I normally do not post with a suggestion to watch a movie to the response of a post... ground breaking I know... but watch Rambo First Blood...


*****warning spoiler road ahead if you have not seen it*****





Man trained to abide by the constitution live fight and not die to defend it... comes home to a place he doesn't recognize, to see old friends... all dead. Local sheriff opps I mean "god" in his own mind at least... dont much like his kind. So lets see how far someone can get in any state just trying to walk on through the state, cities, towns, counties using their constitutional rights when stopped.

I've been there and done that many times... I didn't go John Rambo, I let them treat me like a dog, then later used my voice hey I got called a lawyer and told to shut up, then again later I had "done nothing wrong" as the kid says in this video... I was pepper sprayed, hog cuffed feet ankles with a cuff between them bruised and beaten and thrown into a car and sprayed again. This is before cameras, the internet etc. that stuff could fly under the radar. Well after being beaten like a dog so many times, I learned to fly under the radar abide by not only the constitution but state law I wasnt taught in school... gotta find out those the hard way because those are not universal. I've lived in several states its easy to see the state law differences just by going to the DMV getting a license and registering your vehicle.

My home state? They have a law that violates 3 federal ones with the dmv... these 3 federally unconstitutional laws could make me a criminal... why? Because anyone can call them up and say um hey yeah this person shouldnt drive... the dmv takes their word for it and says here's some astronaut medical forms that require a specialist in every field within 30 days... if you do not do this and sign this... (catch 22) your driving "privilege" is revoked... mail all these unconstitutional forms back to us to avoid this hassle we just tossed into your lap... oh and btw? once your name is in the system you cannot get it back without a court order.

Yeah I know... here's a couple of external sources that shows this in action.

www.newsobserver.com...
wunc.org...

This has been going on here for decades... current status? Who knows?

originally posted by: NoAngel2u
a reply to: raymundoko

He was not being reasonable by posing a public safety hazard with overly bright headlights that were obviously causing other drivers a problem.

.."unreasonable", and "public safety hazard "..oh really? Ignorance about legal headlights was the suspect & other drivers 'problem'.

Can you legally define these terms? (no) based on a professional opinion? ?..(nope). Can you articulate what dept policy says about issued emergency vehicle equipment relative to the vehicle code? (no you can't)... I promise you that deputy can, its his job to know these things. To reduce liability, every piece of 'authorized' dept issued equipment is vetted to ensure compliance with policy, all laws, and applicable state POST (Police Officer Standards & Training) guidelines.

The headlight issue is a fallacy. This suspects opinion, like yours, is irrelevant on the roadside... court is your arena to contest the officers opinion, tell it to the judge. No matter how vehemently you disagree with the deputy / officer, like it or not, agree or not, you must legally comply with lawful orders or face the consequences. Cops took an oath, they're sworn to perform a 'duty' which includes never backing down or retreating. Run, they'll chase you, fight at little.. they'll fight back a-lot... officers can & will use that force necessary, up to and including deadly force, to overcome any resistance you offer.

Once they fear for their lives, they'll keep shooting you until said threat has been abated.. without hesitation.. nothing personal, just business.

What does any of that have to do with this situation?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

What does that have to do with how the officer started the legal stop? Is he the mechanic for his car?

a reply to: NoAngel2u

originally posted by: raymundoko
What does any of that have to do with this situation?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

must nee a refresher on the movie there were a few.

originally posted by: raymundoko
What does that have to do with how the officer started the legal stop? Is he the mechanic for his car?

a reply to: NoAngel2u

He should have informed the person that they violated a state law, by flashing... it was obvious that the person stopped did not know this... otherwise person would not have flashed... or has informing someone about minor offenses been an abandoned practice... remember folks law of the land is not law in every state, county, city, town or parrish.

good day.

a reply to: seeker1963

With the 2nd poster, for better or worse. That scream reminds me of the guy that was on the phone when the World Trade Tower collapsed.

But, my own opinion, I do find it even more sad that that the family released statement seems to have been clearly advised by a lawyer, for obvious future litigation. The kid died, but prepping in the media the grounds for a lawsuit. Jeez.

Horrible all around.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

He did. Did you even watch the video?

a reply to: raymundoko

I have lived the video enough times to know... that should have been the first words out of his mouth... is a warning or what a 30 dollar ticket maybe? worth a life... what sort of madness is that? and why do you justify the murder with a redirectional meme like "bro do you even lift?"

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

So you didn't watch the video, it was the first thing out of his mouth. Are you trolling?