Shock Video: Teen Boy Shot and Killed by Cop for Flashing Headlights and Flexing Rights

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: Answer
Oh look... here's the rest of the story. Context is truth, people...

•Guilford was able to get up and charge at Frost, Lloyd said. Still images of the video, blurred during this exchange, show Guilford moving toward Frost.

•Frost backed up, said Lloyd, and he and Guilford moved off to the side of the road.

Frost's body camera was knocked off into the snow during the altercation but Guilford's cell phone, laying on the pavement by his car, kept recording.

Lloyd said the struggle ended with Guilford on top of Frost in a roadside ditch. Guilford was hitting Frost in the face, he said.

Lloyd said Frost reported that he feared he would lose consciousness and that Guilford would take his gun. Lloyd said Frost felt he needed to defend himself and used his gun to do so.

Lloyd said Frost's gun did not fire at first, but Frost ejected an unfired round and eventually fired seven shots, all of which hit Guilford at close range. Guilford was shot once in the head, right chest, upper belly, left armpit, lower chest, right wrist and right forearm.

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This habit of posting a short YouTube video with a sensational title to present one side of a story and INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD PEOPLE is getting very annoying.

And all this occurred in how many seconds before being shot?

Tazed 5:25
Gun Shots 5:41

So your telling me all that took place in less than 15 seconds?
Fighting at the side of the car, fighting in the ditch, and enough beatings to make one unconscious all in less than 15 seconds?

I guess Mike Tyson did it a couple times in his prime, you know, Mike Tyson, the super massive heavyweight champion of the world way back when. He'd get into the ring and KO guys in about a minute. Did it a couple times. The world was amazed by his talent/punching power. I don't think this kid was Mike Tyson.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Answer

bruce lee was a fully grown man w decades of martial arts expertise. some people would pull a gun out on my 5 year old if he kicked them in the nuts. "I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE"

You WERE focusing on the kid's weight as proof that the officer should have been able to handle him without a problem, now you want to take the focus away from that?

Typical.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

Yeah he was so bad ass he wouldn't fight anyone... Well except in the movies of course, perhaps this traffic stop was actually from a movie too XD

originally posted by: Meee32
a reply to: Answer

Lol Can you show me a real bruce lee fight please? There is nothing to say the guy could fight at all! Want to know why? Because he was an actor and not a fighter, he never proved a thing. Just saying... Put in a ring with an MMA fighter I would bet my bottom dollar he would have been smashed into pieces!

Completely beside the point. The argument was that a 130lb "kid" is nothing and should be easy to put down.

How about a more modern PROVEN fighter in that weight range?

Manny Pacquiao, for example. How about Rhonda Rousey? Oh yeah, a 130lb individual is EASY to put down...

originally posted by: Meee32
a reply to: dragonridr

Violence only begets violence, I couldn't agree more! Now please go tell that to the cop that started the violence... How about that? Anyone has the right to DEFEND themselves against anyone, cop or no cop... Now if the kid had broken a law I would agree but he didn't, so I don't. The cop lied right there on camera yet you would take his side? lol

The kid did break the law. The cop did not lie.

Please see my post at the bottom of the previous page or simply rewatch the video and pay close attention to the dialogue.

If you refuse to do either, you're lying to push your incorrect opinion.

I will cede [for the purposes of this missive only] that the police officer acted correctly training, and directives. Anyone interacting with LEOs must have a reasonable expectation, and assumption - based on precedent, and a preponderance of evidence - of the following:

* Any verbal interaction that makes an LEO uncomfortable - regardless of this unease being emotional, intellectual, procedural, moral, or ethical - will the considered, and acted upon as belligerence; and any and all forms of force may be employed to curtail such activity. The threat level of belligerence appears to be based on the LEOs discretion, and will be handled according to their current emotional status. However, once reviewed by official channels, the LEO will have acted correctly according to policy, and no fault may be apportioned to said officer.

* Should an LEO ask you to exit your vehicle, one must assume (again on the weight of precedent) that a physical assault is imminent. Any resistance to this to avoid injury or death will be considered a threat to the LEO, warranting lethal force.

* Any official video of the event will miraculously disappear, or a failure of equipment will occur at exactly the moment of your death.

Like I said, this is just based on precedent.

a reply to: Answer

They would have been better examples than bruce lee, an actor lol... But you didn't use those now did you? But the fact is this kid wasn't either of those said fighters.

The cop could have held the kid there until backup arrived if he was so scared by this 17 year old... But he didn't, did he?

originally posted by: SecretFace
Just out of interest, does anyone here actually have any front line police experience?

A friend of mine was shot and killed by police. Mt brother was a cop and i got to see how these guys think. It's bad. Real bad. I've been harassed years ago in my teens. Would be pulled over 2 or 3 times a month. A couple times at gun point (I had 3 friends in the car). Young people seem to take the brunt of the abuse. This was back in the 1990's. I've been hit with a billy club and have had my tailbone broken by police.

originally posted by: Meee32
a reply to: Answer

Lol Can you show me a real bruce lee fight please? There is nothing to say the guy could fight at all! Want to know why? Because he was an actor and not a fighter, he never proved a thing. Just saying... Put in a ring with an MMA fighter I would bet my bottom dollar he would have been smashed into pieces!

No he wasn't he was a martial arts expert long before acting. He regularly competeted and and won compititions with people twice his size. Size means nothing in a fight. Any won't can get thet upper hand in a fight. All it takes is one hit to daze someone to thr point rhey have a problem defending themselves.

a reply to: Answer

Do not let yourself get distracted, you made a good post on the last page, keep pushing it until people understand that the officer was going to TELL him his number.

originally posted by: JeanPaul

originally posted by: SecretFace
Just out of interest, does anyone here actually have any front line police experience?

A friend of mine was shot and killed by police. Mt brother was a cop and i got to see how these guys think. It's bad. Real bad. I've been harassed years ago in my teens. Would be pulled over 2 or 3 times a month. A couple times at gun point (I had 3 friends in the car). Young people seem to take the brunt of the abuse. This was back in the 1990's. I've been hit with a billy club and have had my tailbone broken by police.

ODD I SPENT MOST OF MY TIME AS A TEEN RUNNING AS THEY RAIDED A PARTY. Spent many of nights jumping fences and climbing out windows to avoid the police.

a reply to: Answer

Please rewatch the video... The kid asks for his number and the cop said no... The kid asked him to identify himself but he said no... Then later on when the kid started to film he denied saying no... The cop had a problem with someone questioning his authority! Flashing your lights to alert another driver is not against the law... The cop himself said he was flashed twice before already and let them go no bother...

Why was the cop flashed twice already? Because his lights were too bright... He was the one causing the problem! HE should have taken the car to get it fixed... Simples...

EDIT: Imagine you are the one with lights that are dazzling other road users... Would the police take the excuse that the car is new? No, they wouldn't... lol

a reply to: dragonridr

Please show me where he fought in competitions... It is my understanding he never fought in any and said he didn't need to prove himself... I would seriously like to see the competitions he fought in and would really love to see the video of said fights... I have looked before, there are non.

originally posted by: scolai
a reply to: alienjuggalo

This is a weird story.

The kid is clearly stupid, that being said, I have reason to believe that someone who has just been tazed is not capable of attacking anyone, unless going completely stiff is a threatening action now.

This is a good point.
I'd like to see someone tazered and then have 10 seconds to do damage to someone else.
I don't think I would have recovered enough to getup in 10 seconds even, unless your a meth head, which this kid was not.

originally posted by: Merinda
Well black people dont care if it is a white american at the receiving end of police brutality and white people dont get moving either.

I think it would be awesome if a bunch of black people protested this, but then the fascists owned media would ignore it.
They want to make it into a black vs police issue, rather than citizen vs police issue.

What got accomplished with the past riots in regards to the system? Absolutely Nothing except divide and conquer where the sheep are at each others throats.

First ATS post at page 4 giving much more background links than the OP video :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Full coverage on fatal Deven Guilford traffic stop.

Side-by-side cell phone and body camera video.

Judy Putnam: Deadly encounter didn't have to happen. With photos.

I reallized myself immediately, after viewing the side by side cell phone and body camera video, that this officer has serious problems in the superiority complex department.
Why do so many of them lately, forget about their oath to serve the citizens who pay for their salaries?

He was already warned by others that his standard headlights were too bright, mistaken by many already for his bright lights. As he admits in the video.
Why on earth he TURNS around AGAIN then, to chase another car that tried to warn him again for his too bright lights, with just a few short head light flashes, as he had encountered multiple times already?

Any normal officer would have shrugged his shoulders while making another mental note, to go as quick as possible to car-maintenance, and let them correct his headlights.
But he optioned to turn around again, to hunt a polite but stubborn, afraid of cop-imposters, 17 year old? While knowing damn well his car had a problem, and not the boys car!

That's suffering from a huge superiority problem, if not worse.

I read and viewed all online sources.
It took 6 seconds before the first of 7 fatal shots were fired after the taser shot. Then you can listen to a minute of total silence from the side of the officer, who just fatally shot a 17 year old.
You only hear some (two? ) cars pass by in that minute.
Then you hear the sirens of his colleague coming near, you hear that second police cruiser brake in the snow beside the still recording handphone which was kicked away by the officer to a spot near the back tire of the car from the now dead boy, and then the online recording STOPS ?

What the hell, the most interesting part still had to come, where the assaulted(?) officer is explaining to his colleague what had happened.
I do not believe the chance is high, that that colleague first picked up that boy's handphone to SHUT IT OFF.
For sure he ran first to his colleague, where ever he may have been. In his cruiser trying to radio again for help? Searching for his lost (?) shoulder-cam? Still sitting at the spot in the ditch? Trying to revive his victim?

Why on earth did that prosecutor stop that recording at that crucial point?
And WHY does he reject to offer ALL material to the newspaper who now has filed a FOIA request to get their hands on all these crucial, but missing evidence parts.

LEO workers always FIRST protect their colleagues, even the maniacally impaired, at all costs. While pretending to follow honest investigation standards. We all know, that some will not.
Only when hard evidence of wrong doing is surfacing, they will drop the support of their colleague.
How many times is such evidence "got lost" however?
Of course there are lots of straight LEO's, do not ever forget that, and hope they will bring damning evidence, if it exists, to the FOIA table.

originally posted by: Meee32
a reply to: dragonridr

Please show me where he fought in competitions... It is my understanding he never fought in any and said he didn't need to prove himself... I would seriously like to see the competitions he fought in and would really love to see the video of said fights... I have looked before, there are non.

When you look at the ONE online police evidence photograph shot of seemingly a few minutes after the shooting, you see no clear dead body, in fact I see no body at all.



There are two distorted snow areas aside the victims car. The furthest has a shadowy black smear in the snow, which could be a body, or blood, but I really doubt that, until I see more photos from the scene, taken just afterwards by police photographers, which is standard operation, they take many shots of the scene.

So where was this struggle, in which ditch? I do not see footprints to any ditch, I see a snowy slope beside a snow decked road, with a few footprints and a lot of mingled fresh snow on that slope.
Where is the abundance of to be expected victims blood.?
Why are there fresh(?) tire tracks expanding from the front of the victims car, while we may suppose that he stopped in fresh snow, where the photo of his parked car was shot. The only two reasons I can come up with is that another car made those tracks, but then why do the tracks match perfectly with his front tires then? And a snow snowplough has much wider tracks.
Or his car was pushed back at least 10 meters. And snow-footprints were masked first with fresh snow, then the victims car pushed back?

But there is a witness' video, who says that he oversaw the scene. How, I have no clue. He only says he saw a police car stopping another car, talking to the driver through his half open window, and NOTHING more, than that another police car arrived after 10 minutes. How can you report a detail such as that window, and not see what happened OUTSIDE that car after that? But still were another 10 minutes on the scene, to see the second officer arrive, and after that a boatload of other LEO cars. He must have been quite near to report about that car-window exchange between the officer and the young driver.