Unfulfilled prophecies in the Bible prove its NOT the authority as the word of God

a reply to: pthena

I get where you're coming from but sport and religion have nothing in common (

I don't see my local football team in a stadium demanding the heart of a transsexual being pulled from their chest. I don't see my local football team throwing people of buildings. I don't see my local football team telling their fans that if they don't follow them that they will have enternal damnation in hell! I don't see my local football team trying to change the law of the land to suit their team. And finally my local football team is not tax exempt!!!

Do you get the point?

a reply to: KnightLight

I believe things I didn't even think I did.. Odd fears coming out of the back of my mind.
I've been running too long so it's a bit much. Wake up call.

This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Alice in Wonderland:

Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said. 'One can't believe impossible things.'

'I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

a reply to: usernameconspiracy
Fair point but I don't agree with the notion that we are special, we are the chosen species over amoeba, that God waited for us to evolve over billions of years to then bestow upon us his wisdom. You could say that he waited for us to develop civilizations and language but I feel it is reactionary in nature.

All I can say is adleast your open minded. Problem is I feel it's difficult for you to imagine a diety without falling back on the one preached. To believe in God is to believe in his wickedness as the norm. I truly believe a creator would not create such a hostile and "dead" universe based on destruction.

If there is a creator, he is incredibly poor at it.

a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN
You have more knowledge yet still believe in christianity, based on this scripture. Surely you are not picking what you want and ignoring what you don't as metaphors and analogys. If you are than you truly are a Christian. If you claim to have the book in such detail yet still reside in the fact the book is a mediator of God's wisdom than you are unable to critically evaluate or see something for what it is. Stop claiming a sense of intelligence as you have studied this religion yet base your way of life around it.

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN

I'm more than aware that the bible is not literal and that historians (non religious biased) do not give any credence to the bible as an historical document.

The rest of your post is exactly the thing I would say, I'm more than aware of the scientific creation of the universe, I more than aware that some of your fellow Christains will argue the point that the bible is literal including some members here on ATS.

Let's get back on topic and you tell me; do you believe the parts of the bible that speaks about the end times and the coming Rapture?

LOL Non Biased historians... Seriously?!?!? IF anyone agrees with biblical events based on your statement above you will outright call them biased! just like the middle ages calling people witches for practicing what they dont understand... In your mind the Bible cannot be factual or your argument goes to chit... If someone proves a factual argument you come back but what about this? without even letting the facts sink in and trying to understand what has been revealed to you. This is why you do not understand prophecy! Prophecy is not ohhh hey thats obvious... It is something that is revealed to you. That is what REVELATIONS means... it is an unknown being made known. That is why revelations begins with a blessing for those who read and heed the words as the time is near... If the time was far off would you take heed of the prophecies?


Let me rephrase your question and you can correct me if I get it wrong...

Do I believe in the Post millennial Belief of the end times?
-Yes, I do not believe that the scriptures surrounding Daniel's John's and Paul's prophecies ended shortly after Jesus Died and was Resurrected. I believe we are just now seeing the Birthing Pains that Daniel spoke of in his Visions. There are alot of correlations in the book of Daniel and what has transpired over the years. If you would take the time to watch the 8 videos I shared in the link earlier you will see exactly that. I think the Author of those videos did a good job getting a foundation to which people can see the historical alignments of prophecy and world powers. The prophecy nails it on the head! from the medo-persian conquer of babylon all the way to two primary forms of governments Communism/Oligarchs and Republics/Democracy...

In all honesty I am still developing my beliefs on the End times as I have expanded my research well outside of the bible it takes time to sort through what is BS and what could be real... But I am finding patterns and It is helping me to put together my beliefs.

a reply to: rossacus

Trust me, I think based on what I've said so far, what I believe is simply personal to me. I certainly don't strive to convince others that I'm right or they are wrong, nor do I require anyone to validate what I believe. Obviously, outside influences do have a way of mucking things up, as you've pointed out. I try to keep it as open minded as possible, but your point is valid.

I do enjoy a nice conversation on the matter, devoid of the usual attacks that get in the way, so thanks for that.

originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN
You have more knowledge yet still believe in christianity, based on this scripture. Surely you are not picking what you want and ignoring what you don't as metaphors and analogys. If you are than you truly are a Christian. If you claim to have the book in such detail yet still reside in the fact the book is a mediator of God's wisdom than you are unable to critically evaluate or see something for what it is. Stop claiming a sense of intelligence as you have studied this religion yet base your way of life around it.

My beliefs are based off of years of careful study and dissection of scriptures. I have studied many faiths and have come back to christianity based on my own personal experiences as stated before. I have had several Near Death Experiences and events in my life where I should have drowned or died and didnt not from help from man but out of the unknown. I wish I could chalk it up to good luck but as my family puts it I have a Legion of Guardian angels lol.

As I stated earlier we are asked to have faith like a child... What does a child do? Question everything. So this is what I do... No, I do not objectively ignore things I dont believe in and call them metaphors or analogies as this would contradict the way I read and discern from scripture. I question them and put them in the literary context. If it is a metaphor its a metaphor, a parable is a parable, an analogy is an anology and literal is literal... I objectively look at my faith every day and as I stated before It will shake your faith just as many of the men in the old and new testaments had their faith shaken so shall we. This is a journey we grow and learn with every step. None of us will ever know it all in this lifetime. I just know that after this life more will be revealed and that I am looking forward to!

www.davidpfield.com...

I am currently reading this on Revelations now... so far it seems pretty good...

a reply to: flammadraco

sport and religion have nothing in common

I'm researching where and when the concept of "idolatry" came from (a lot more recent than commonly thought). I'm not against idols per se. Just so that's understood.

Idolatry - Etymology
In current context, however, idolatry is not limited to religious concepts. It can also refer to a social phenomenon where false perceptions are created and worshipped, or even used as a term in the entertainment industry.

Religion#Etymology
One possibility is an interpretation traced to Cicero, connecting lego "read", i.e. re (again) + lego in the sense of "choose", "go over again" or "consider carefully". Modern scholars such as Tom Harpur and Joseph Campbell favor the derivation from ligare "bind, connect", probably from a prefixed re-ligare, i.e. re (again) + ligare or "to reconnect,"
. . .
(which Cicero further derived to mean "diligence").

Football has rules, which the coaches and players go over and over to memorize. The players, as priests partake of the essence of Football through constant repetitive exercise and practice. The coaches play tapes of opponent team strategies over and over to determine weaknesses. Without dedication of the self, timewise, energywise, rulewise, no priest of the game has a chance to continue.

The fans, as a community sacrifice time to learn the names, strengths, weaknesses of the players.

I'm glad your local football team doesn't rip hearts out, or demand sole allegiance, (that would be hypocrisy, since players themselves don't always stick with one team or city).

Maybe I should have pretended that I care about Football and avoided the frown face. I didn't say Football is bad.

I still like your thread.

a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN

There will be an "End of Times" for the Earth, in approximately 5 billion years from now when the Sun will become a Red Giant and consume the Earth.

I doubt very much that humanity will still be around by then from the endless possibiltles of our species becoming extinct, Asteroids, Gamma Ray Burst, Rouge Blackhole, being hit by a stray planet, disease, global warming etc etc etc.

But the world is not going to come to an end by the hand of the Abrahamic God, there will be no trumpets, no seals, no horseman and no second coming and sadly no Rapture.

There will be a great "Turning Away", but that's due to humanity becoming more mature as a species and not needing the threats against our afterlife if we don't conform to 2000 year old scripture.

a reply to: pthena

Good response but I cannot agree with your analogy.

I gave you a star for effort

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN

There will be an "End of Times" for the Earth, in approximately 5 billion years from now when the Sun will become a Red Giant and consume the Earth.

I doubt very much that humanity will still be around by then from the endless possibiltles of our species becoming extinct, Asteroids, Gamma Ray Burst, Rouge Blackhole, being hit by a stray planet, disease, global warming etc etc etc.

But the world is not going to come to an end by the hand of the Abrahamic God, there will be no trumpets, no seals, no horseman and no second coming and sadly no Rapture.

There will be a great "Turning Away", but that's due to humanity becoming more mature as a species and not needing the threats against our afterlife if we don't conform to 2000 year old scripture.

You are soo sure of the unknown... How do you justify something you do not know? We do not know what lies ahead... for heavens sake we dont even know whats in Lochness!!! So how can you be so sure that any religious end of the world scenario will not take place? Do you have a time machine that lets you see the future???

I get premonitions from time to time and I can tell you that even with those premonitions I cannot tell you what the future holds... but a few moments leading up to the event I know... I have even told people and written down the events and watched them unfold... So with my experience in Premonitions in my own life I can tell you even with that gift I only get a partial view of what happens and its from my eyes view... (weirdly enough faces are always blurred out and everything else is crystal clear)

a reply to: usernameconspiracy
I'm giving you more respect than others as you don't believe in a religious god and are trying to understand the world you live in, basically all an atheist can ask of someone. I'm glad your belief works for you. (Genuinely )

a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN

I'm so sure as I believe in Science!

Science has all the answers for me not a paster/priest/rabbi/Iman who responds to questions by saying "because God said so...."

I agree with you about some bad # going to go down, but that's due to man and nothing other than man. We are more than capable of bringing about Armegeddon without the need from any God. Would the World get along a lot better without relgion causing division? Damn right it would!

As you've already said, you have a relationship with God without the need of a church, I and others in this thread have a relationship with God without the need of religion.

Off topic, I would be interested in hearing/reading about your premonitions

a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN
Fair enough. My point being is it possible to dissect metaphors between truth, as it is fundamentally subjective in nature. Your truth would be another's analogy, using the same technique as yourself, which is why I admire religious scriptures so much. A basic line could have a million permetations, even for those objectively open minded. But thankyou for your responses.

For those interested in an objective view of the Book of Revelations and what different Theologians have ascertained from their studies the following website has several documents with references throughout the bible. So the OP understands there is a much more in depth review of scripture and yet with the experts at the helm there is always room for improvement.

The document "The Coming of Christ in Revelation 1.7" is a great start and applies to argument posted in this thread...

davidpfield.com...

Even the experts see things differently...

a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN
I too would like to hear some of these premonitions, especially the written down ones please.

I would also like to state many people turn to hod when they feel all circumstances should have lead to their death. If you could look at yourself during these near death events from the outside, you will discover many compounding "fortunes" ( eg. Car accident cars are designed to take alot of impact to protect driver, your leg will get crushed and the question will be " another inch and it would have hit my artery "). Fortunately for you you are alive cos many many "lucky" variables, or so I would say.

a reply to: rossacus

Problem is I feel it's difficult for you to imagine a diety without falling back on the one preached. To believe in God is to believe in his wickedness as the norm. I truly believe a creator would not create such a hostile and "dead" universe based on destruction.

Why even call the preached character "God"? Maybe think of the English root, from Germanic, meaning "Good". If it is determined that the Bible character or the preached character is not good, then relieve him from the title "God", then never use the word that means good for some character who isn't good.

Simple logic. Don't call good that which is not good.

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN

I'm so sure as I believe in Science!

Science has all the answers for me not a paster/priest/rabbi/Iman who responds to questions by saying "because God said so...."

I agree with you about some bad # going to go down, but that's due to man and nothing other than man. We are more than capable of bringing about Armegeddon without the need from any God. Would the World get along a lot better without relgion causing division? Damn right it would!

As you've already said, you have a relationship with God without the need of a church, I and others in this thread have a relationship with God without the need of religion.

Off topic, I would be interested in hearing/reading about your premonitions

On the Premonitions its a personal thing that I dont often speak about as most dont understand it...

Premonitions for me come in my sleep like Daniel had visions. I see glimpses of events in my life. By this I mean "in body" through my eyes a brief view of my surroundings. I am fully aware of my body and all my senses. The premonitions come to me like dreams but only last for what feels like a few seconds. it is usually when I am falling from deep realm sleep and into the "dream state". Its always in the mornings and on the backside of the "deep realm" sleep. I don't typically have dreams on that side of the "deep sleep" so thats how I know its premonitions... matter of fact I dont usually dream...

The premonitions are usually for events that last only a few minutes at most. After that im in uncharted territory.

I have tried to hone in on these visions and to control them but as of yet have not been able to... I have also attempted to induce visions as well... no success what it did spur me to is down the realm of astral projection in which I was able to actively do... I have since quite due to an experience that I am reluctant to discuss. Lets just say there are things beyond our realm of understanding... It makes what the bible speak of angels and demons hit at home for me... seeing pure evil incarnate and being able to feel its absolute hatred was definitely something I wasnt ready for at the time!

Its like kids playing with witchcraft... never a good idea trying to invoke what you dont understand...

a reply to: APOCOLYPSE DAWN

Thanks for the response, it's very interesting topic astral projection and something I think I would be a tad fearful of myself!

Do you remember them vividly and in detail afterwards?

I'd love to have a discussion about this in more depth, perhaps when you feel ready you could start a thread as I don't want to go off topic here!

You seem like a cool person and whilst you and I will never agree on the topic of this thread, I'm sure I'll enjoy conversing with you on other topics