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originally posted by: defcon25
a reply to: DJW001
Wether it's 50 years old or 100 is not important so long as it is relative.
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say you live in NK...the point I'm trying to make is that the US is not as squaky clean on Free-Speech as it claims to be.
originally posted by: defcon25
a reply to: DJW001
I'm not going to scour the internet for examples of free-speech hypocrisy but I will say this.
I would disagree that the US has the best record of any nation when it comes to free-speech(maybe one of the best) but I'm not trying to say its as bad as Iran either.
Personally I think Free-Speech in America is being attacked at the moment which is not a good sign.
I'm talking mainly about political things like banning anonymous comments online etc.
I have even seen it on this site whereby comments are removed for breach of T&C but surely the T&C of this site are even an attack on Free-Speech.
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: defcon25
a reply to: DJW001
I'm not going to scour the internet for examples of free-speech hypocrisy but I will say this.
I would disagree that the US has the best record of any nation when it comes to free-speech(maybe one of the best) but I'm not trying to say its as bad as Iran either.
Personally I think Free-Speech in America is being attacked at the moment which is not a good sign.
I'm talking mainly about political things like banning anonymous comments online etc.
I have even seen it on this site whereby comments are removed for breach of T&C but surely the T&C of this site are even an attack on Free-Speech.
It ranks number two behind New Zealand. So now back to the thread seen the latest Russia is threatening sweden because of the support there for joining NATO.
"Putin pointed out that there will be consequences, that Russia will have to resort to a response of the military kind and re-orientate our troops and missiles."
I can't believe how stupid he can be Sweden wants to join NATO because of the military threat Russia imposes. So what does Putin do he threatens rhem with military force. Is it me or has he just totally lost it??
But because their hasn't been a Nuclear war doesn't change the fact that it has had a detrimental effect on the policy of MAD.
It is just going to increase Russia and possibly even China's fears that the US intends to wipe them both out.
But like I showed earlier via the links I posted,the two are of Strategic Military importance to Russia.
Russia is going to try to prevent NATO from surrounding it in the same way the US would not accept Russian Military in Americas backyard because that would then be a Direct Threat to US National Security.
Add the ABM shield in Europe and what Detterance do China and Russia have against US Agression?
Who are Americas enemies?
Are China and Russia seen as enemies of America?
originally posted by: defcon25
a reply to: mojom
Fully agree mate,mankind never seems to learn from the past and history just repeats over and over.
It is as if we are on the road to ww3 and there is absolutely nothing the average joe can do to stop it and the morons in power don't seem to give a damn.
If Russia,the USA or China get involved in any kind of conflict with each other we all know the most likely outcome will be a Nuclear War.
You would think these states would be at the table all the time trying to negotiate and compromise and improve relations with each other aswell as trying to decommission weapons and stop other states going after nukes etc.
Dangerous times.
If western leaders were at all wise, they would unanamously lift sanctions and offer a stalmate treaty (allowing Crimea to remain under Russian control) to releive the pressure and create the illusion that Putin has won
If western leaders were at all wise, they would unanamously lift sanctions and offer a stalmate treaty (allowing Crimea to remain under Russian control) to releive the pressure and create the illusion that Putin has won. If these steps are not taken now, the momentum will certainly escalate into a ground war resulting global conflicts elsewhere. Even in a limited form, such a conflict would most certainly impinge upon the fragile world economic condition.
originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Gianfar
If western leaders were at all wise, they would unanamously lift sanctions and offer a stalmate treaty (allowing Crimea to remain under Russian control) to releive the pressure and create the illusion that Putin has won. If these steps are not taken now, the momentum will certainly escalate into a ground war resulting global conflicts elsewhere. Even in a limited form, such a conflict would most certainly impinge upon the fragile world economic condition.
But western leaders doing the opposite. Now they started seizing Russian state property in France and Belgium.
www.bbc.com...
I don't have strong opinion about Khodorkovsky case, but for russians ( mostly) he is seen like Bernie Madoff. Now imagine that Madoff was released and won in Russo-China court. After this american assets starting to be confiscated in Russia.
I see in near future things will escalate more. Russia unlikely will seize foreign properties, but if pushed hard they may do it. 50 bln$ is quite a large sum, it may lead to military confrontation. Don't forget that France already canceled Mistrals and Russia still hasn't received money back. I know that western media will make noise how aggressive is Putin, little they know that Putin is actually a dove compared to who may come next. Interesting to note that even the most pro-western Russian politicians like Khodorkovsky and Navalny said that Crimean crisis is hard to solve, it will take years if not decades.
This means that in the whole Russian political spectrum there is no one who says Crimea can be given back tomorrow. Assuming that Navalny or Khodorkovsky will somehow became president of Russian Federation, which is impossible without Maidan in Moscow, but even they are not ready to give Crimea back without long preparations for another referendum etc. In short, if not directly appointed Mr. Baiden or Ms. Nuland as an occupational governor Russia is not going to give Crimea back without fight.
The west would recognize Russia's claim on Crimea if Russia withdraws from Ukrainian territory. Sanctions would be eased over time as the conditions were met and NATO would exert its right to expand capability of military bases in the nations bordering Russia.