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Global military leaders laud Israel's restriant in Gaza clash ahead of U.N. report.

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posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 08:53 PM
Israel obviously needed this report to rebut the likely biased U.N. report.

It comes as no surprise when politicians and the military do not see eye to eye...

posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 10:07 PM

states the report, sponsored by the Friends of Israel Initiative.



Experts in top level bullsh# no doubt.

posted on Jun, 15 2015 @ 10:25 PM

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

states the report, sponsored by the Friends of Israel Initiative.



Experts in top level bullsh# no doubt.

Well if you look all these "experts" come from nations that kiss Israels behind also take into account that the article itself was written by an Israeli so it will be a little biased. Saying Israel showed restraint when most of the people that was killed was civilians is laughable and just shows their ignorance. If Israel did nothing wrong and they wanted to prove it then why not cooperate with the UN probe? What did Israel have to hide besides former soldiers telling stories about how they were ordered to kill anyone they saw.

posted on Jun, 16 2015 @ 04:13 AM
IDF says 761 Palestinian civilians killed in Gaza war - half of UN figure

Sounds like a good start ...

A court of non-convictions when the victim is Palestinian

When Israelis are accused of victimizing Palestinians, nearly 25% of convictions are simply thrown out — to avoid tarring the criminal with a criminal record.

Much less administrative hassle ...
Anyway Israel's friends are doing just the same :

UN details violence against Palestinian kids, leaves Israel off 'blacklist'

The number of Palestinian children killed in 2014 was the third-highest of all situations the UN monitored — after Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel and Hamas are left off a list of rights-violating states and groups, allegedly as a result of political pressure.

Because when it comes to consider what the life of a Palestinian kid is worth :

No indictment in killing of four Palestinian kids on Gaza beach

Israeli army prosecutor decides not to open a criminal probe into a widely reported-on air strike against four children playing on a Gaza City beach during last year’s war. The MAG says it will, however, investigate the shelling of a medical clinic ‘in honor’ a fallen soldier.

But from time to time, when you have an embarrassing video that makes the buzz and Israel wants to pretend they too have some sort of justice :

Israeli army hands probation sentences to soldiers caught beating Palestinian

The soldiers, from the ultra-Orthodox brigade of Netzah Yehuda, were tried at a disciplinary court after the army launched an "in-depth investigation" into the case Saturday, according to a statement by a military spokesperson.

The company commander was reprimanded, and two additional soldiers were found to have used "excessive force" and were handed a suspended sentence of 28 days.

The soldier that shouted insults at al-Ghabbashy was sentenced to a 30-day confinement to his base, in other words he will not be allowed to go on vacation for an entire month.

How low can these guys go ?

posted on Jun, 16 2015 @ 04:26 AM
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Experts in top level bullsh# no doubt.

Hmmm how do you figure?
Are you personally familiar with all these figures?

Giulio Terzi – former Foreign Minister of Italy.
General Klaus Naumann – former Chief of Staff of the Bundeswehr and Chairman of the NATO Military Committee.
General Vincenzo Camporini – former Chief of the Defence Staff of Italy.
Admiral Jose Maria Teran – former Chief of the Joint Staff of Spain.
Ambassador Pierre-Richard Prosper – former US State Department Ambassador at Large for war crimes issues.
Mr Rafael Bardaji – former National Security Advisor for the Spanish government.
Lieutenant General David A Deptula – former Standing Joint Force Air Component Commander, United States Pacific Command.
Major General Jim Molan – former Chief of Operations, Headquarters Multi National Force, Iraq and Commander of the Australian Defence College.
Colonel Eduardo Ramirez – former Chief of Security, Colombia.
Colonel Vincent Alcazar – former senior United States Air Force officer in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Colonel Richard Kemp – former Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan.

Or did you come to this conclusion because they stated something that does not fall in line with your agenda?

posted on Jun, 16 2015 @ 05:33 AM
a reply to: MaxMech

LOL. Of course, we're supposed to believe these posters. They're the "real experts"....

Even I could see, from the Israeli viewpoint, how they had been using restraint ever since this latest fracas started and posted as much numerous times. Between the U.N. and that 'free international media', this is about the first time anything like this has slipped through to the public.

Now one could debate how altruistic or pragmatic that restraint was. Restraint is was either way....

edit on 16-6-2015 by nwtrucker because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 22 2015 @ 03:01 PM
Unfortunately for Israel, here comes the said UN report.

Press release :

GENEVA (22 June 2015): The United Nations Independent Commission of Inquiry on the 2014 Gaza conflict has gathered substantial information pointing to the possible commission of war crimes by both Israel and Palestinian armed groups.

“The extent of the devastation and human suffering in Gaza was unprecedented and will impact generations to come,” the chair of the commission, Justice Mary McGowan Davis told a press briefing today, adding that, “there is also on-going fear in Israel among communities who come under regular threat”.

The 2014 hostilities saw a huge increase in firepower used in Gaza, with more than 6,000 airstrikes by Israel and approximately 50,000 tank and artillery shells fired. In the 51 day operation, 1,462 Palestinian civilians were killed, a third of them children. Palestinian armed groups fired 4,881 rockets and 1,753 mortars towards Israel in July and August 2014, killing 6 civilians and injuring at least 1,600.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians were killed in their own homes, especially women and children. Survivors gave graphic testimony describing air strikes that reduced buildings to piles of dust and rubble in seconds. “I woke up…in the hospital, and I later learned that my sister, mother and my children had all died,” said a member of the Al Najjar family after an attack in Khan Younis on 26 July that killed 19 of his relatives, “We all died that day even those who survived”.

At least 142 families lost three or more members in an attack on a residential building during the summer of 2014, resulting in 742 deaths. The fact that Israel did not revise its practice of air-strikes, even after their dire effects on civilians became apparent, raises the question of whether this was part of a broader policy which was at least tacitly approved at the highest level of government.

The commission is concerned about Israel’s extensive use of weapons with a wide kill and injury radius; though not illegal, their use in densely populated areas is highly likely to kill combatants and civilians indiscriminately. There appears also to be a pattern whereby the IDF issued warnings to people to leave a neighbourhood and then automatically considered anyone remaining to be a fighter. This practice makes attacks on civilians highly likely. During the Israeli ground incursion into Gaza that began in mid-July 2014, hundreds of people were killed and thousands of homes destroyed or damaged.

mbulance call centres said they received desperate appeals for help from people in Shuja’iya during which they could hear young children screaming in the background. “There was an explosion about every ten seconds,” said a witness in Rafah in early August where the IDF launched a major operation after they believed one of their soldiers had been captured. “When the safety of an Israeli soldier is at stake, all the rules seem to be disregarded,” commented Justice Davis.

The hostilities also caused immense distress and disruption to the lives of civilians in Israel. Witnesses living near Gaza spoke of being disturbed by seeing the bombing from their sitting room windows but also struggled to reach shelters in time with their children when the sirens alerted them to incoming attacks. The indiscriminate firing of thousands of rockets and mortars at Israel appeared to have the intention of spreading terror among civilians there. In addition the Israeli military discovered 14 tunnels extending from Gaza into Israel that were used to attack their soldiers during this period. The idea of the tunnels traumatised Israeli civilians who feared they could be attacked at any moment by gunmen bursting out of the ground.

In the West Bank including East Jerusalem, 27 Palestinians were killed and 3,020 injured between June and August 2014. The number killed in these three months was equivalent to the total for the whole of 2013. The commission is concerned about what appears to be the increasing use of live ammunition for crowd control by the Israeli Security Forces, which raises the likelihood of death or serious injury.

Impunity prevails across the board for violations allegedly committed by Israeli forces, both in Gaza and the West Bank. “Israel must break with its lamentable track record in holding wrong doers accountable,” said the commissioners, “and accountability on the Palestinian side is also woefully inadequate”.

The commission is disturbed by Israel’s decision to close its criminal investigation into the case of the killing of four children on the beach in Gaza on 16 July 2014. International journalists and many Palestinian eyewitnesses do not appear to have been interviewed by the Israeli authorities, which raises questions about the thoroughness of their investigation.

The commission was appointed by the UN Human Rights Council in September 2014 to investigate all violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law in the context of the military operations conducted last summer. The commission comprises Justice Mary McGowan Davis (United States) and Dr. Doudou Diene (Senegal).

The Israeli authorities did not respond to repeated requests by the commission for information and direct access to Israel and to the Occupied Palestinian Territory. However the commission obtained harrowing first hand testimony by means of Skype, VTC and telephone interviews. It also conducted face-to-face interviews with victims and witnesses from the West Bank during two visits to Jordan and spoke to victims and witnesses from Israel who travelled to Geneva. The commission conducted more than 280 confidential interviews and received some 500 written submissions.

Announcing the release of the report Monday, Justice Davis (chair) and Dr. Diene outlined a number of steps the parties and the international community should take. One of these was that countries should actively support the work of the International Criminal Court in relation to the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

“We were deeply moved by the immense suffering and resilience of the victims,” the commissioners concluded, “we just hope our report contributes in some small way to ending the cycle of violence”.

The commission is scheduled formally to present its report to the UN Human Rights Council on 29 June 2015 in Geneva.

posted on Jun, 23 2015 @ 08:27 PM
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Gee, that was a surprise!

Nothing new, really. The Israelis are yawning and rightfully so, in my estimation...

posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 01:12 AM
a reply to: nwtrucker

That's your estimation ... the report is annoying for both : the Palestinians consider it doesn't go far enough. And the Israelis are obfuscated by the fact that someone dares to point the finger at them.
The practical consequences are already starting to show up :

Israel slams ‘politically motivated and morally flawed’ UN Gaza report

‘War crimes’: Palestinian rights activists demand ex-IDF chief’s arrest during London visit

posted on Jun, 24 2015 @ 08:48 AM
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Of course it's 'my estimation'.

I don't have any other than my own to work with.

I do not consider this as solvable in any normal sense. Too many decades have past trying to solve it diplomatically. This is one of those impasses that will end up with one or the other on top of the 'food chain' the old fashioned way.

My preference is Israel. My opinion is subjective, of course-as is everyone else's on the matter...either way.

I have zero trust/respect for the EU or the U.N. on this matter, whatsoever. Bottom line is 20% of Israel's population is Muslim. They worship, work , play, vote and seem to be doing well. I don't see any lines of these people waiting to emigrate to any of the other Muslim 'nations'.

It is telling,to say the least. I only comment on my views from a sense that I feel honor bond to point out what I see as obvious truths that are ignored or glossed over.

As you say, just my estimation.....


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