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originally posted by: klassified
a reply to: Krazysh0t
If I'm understanding the OP correctly...
The sacrifice of life made to defeat Hitler and Japan was necessary. While the sacrifice of Christ was unnecessary, and no better than the death cults before and after Christianity. Death cults Christianity condemned, of course. Not seeing their own hypocrisy.
originally posted by: Lightworth
the American way of life would have been destroyed
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: JUhrman
Your blatant use of stereotypes aside; I am very happy with my life in America. I have no interest in soccer, socialism or being ruled from Brussels.
originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: JUhrman
Everyone will give you a different answer. Propoganda sentence like fighting for freedom.
originally posted by: Prezbo369
Yup human sacrifice or scapegoating is the key feature of Christianity, but they don't like to face up to that fact. The very symbol of their collection of beliefs is the tool used to torture a man to death.
There's a problem? Better kill someone inorder to make it all better.....
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: klassified
a reply to: Krazysh0t
If I'm understanding the OP correctly...
The sacrifice of life made to defeat Hitler and Japan was necessary. While the sacrifice of Christ was unnecessary, and no better than the death cults before and after Christianity. Death cults Christianity condemned, of course. Not seeing their own hypocrisy.
I guess that makes a bit more sense, though I guess that supposition relies on Christianity being true or not. If the claim that Jesus dies for our sins is true, then that would make the OP wrong. As an agnostic, I think that is likely the case, but there wasn't a good enough reason established in the OP to convince us that is the case. It leaves the argument ambiguous.
Not to mention, we have no idea how the world would be different if Hitler won. What if the victory of Hitler prevented Stalin from sending tons of people to Gulags? It's all nice to say it retrospect, but was the Cold War necessarily a better alternative than what would have happened had Hitler won?
I'm not a Nazi sympathizer or anything, I just find the argument in the OP to be rather flawed. Hence why I called it a cheap shot against Christianity. Though I think his first paragraph could be a decent discussion if it were fleshed out better. Discussing true American sacrifices is a more entertaining thread than another bash Christianity thread (especially one like this).
originally posted by: Lightworth
a reply to: kenzohattori69
Was referring to America at the time. It's a whole other area of discussion on how the US basically became the Fourth Reich (Operation Paper Clip etc.) -- to quote Jim Marrs -- with the advent of the National Security Act/State in 1947. No argument on how terrible things are, and no support of the existing (secrecy-based) political world, though I feel certain an outright Nazi/Axis victory would have resulted in a worse and even more oppressive way of life, at least overall.
ADD: I'm gladly wrong about the amount of discussion here! I don't ever expect my threads to go into multiple pages anyway.
originally posted by: Lightworth
a reply to: WarminIndy
However flawed and stupid (and even worse) the US government and others were leading up to D-Day, the Allied victory still beat the holy s#*t out of the alternative of goose-stepping, probably forcibly speaking German, and a North Korea-type cult of personality of praising and worshiping Hitler.
Here's hoping this thread can get back on the main topic: Death cult religions (and others) are wrong, lacking intelligence and morality.
originally posted by: Lightworthbut how much TRULY higher moral ground did they have when their own religion is ALSO based on unproved sacrifice?
originally posted by: Lightworth
What purpose? To destroy Christianity and hopefully all religions?