NO Unproved Blood Sacrifices!

WW2 or, say, D-Day in particular, is an excellent example of a REAL sacrifice. There's no question that, if the Nazis would have won the war and conquered Europe, the American way of life would have been destroyed, or definitely VERY gravely in danger in the least -- in enough danger to warrant decisive American and Allied military action to stop the German war machine. WW2, including the defeat of imperial Japan, was the last war that had anything to do with any AMERICAN'S freedom (not counting the easy one-day turkey shoot in Grenada in 1983). That is, I've never come across any factual-empirical evidence to the contrary, not based on emotion, sentiment, the flag-waving, religious-type nationalistic fervor.

So behold the reality (what a concept) of ACTUAL or proved sacrifice. Anything else, i.e. Christianity, is no different from the days when they threw children into volcanoes in order to "appease the gods," or most generously, definitely not different ENOUGH, basically the same thing. Anything else is just vampiric-cultist (figurative) blood drinking unless PROVED otherwise, and the infantile lack of taking enough responsibility, if really any, for one's own life/actions. Mere BELIEF (lacking proof) in any kind of alleged "greater good" that comes from bloodshed and/or other death amounts to the same basic mentality as a CHILDREN OF THE CORN-type cult.

congratulations, you've just joined an exclusive club of woefully ill-informed people completely misrepresenting Christianity. Plates are on your left, napkins on your right, and a plate full of ignorance can be yours for just $4.99!

a reply to: Awen24

I don't make any major judgments on any INDIVIDUALS, regardless of religion or lack of, without enough information, but please do elaborate on how the INSTITUTION of Christianity is somehow NOT based on unproved sacrifice as its central tenet/requirement.

ADDITION: And the crickets chirp, as expected, no response. It surely got quiet, and I have a feeling this will probably not be a popular thread, or to understate it...

a reply to: Lightworth
Christians have to make sacraficed everyday. By being christian they give up there rights as rationale thinking human beings and on a daily basis have to reevaluate their truths based on new discoveries. They sacrafice their inner integrity everytime a debate arises asking for proof or a disbelief in faith.

They make truly great sacrafices but don't get the recognition they deserve

Forgot to thank you for the daily religious bashing thread...didn't realise it was that time in the day already.

a reply to: Lightworth
I don't think it will be a popular thread cos you didn't ask a question, ask for opinions or state the purpose of the thread. Food for thought for future threads.

a reply to: rossacus

Seems to me all of those (questions, opinions, purpose) are implied, not needing anything more. I've done many other threads that have had enough replies. I can easily leave it up to the imaginations and intelligence of others to offer more and/or criticism. What purpose? To destroy Christianity and hopefully all religions? That would (or will?) require infinitely more than any thread posted anywhere.

You said nothing of substance and few people will care to engage your attempt at trolling. So you are right, probably won't be popular.

You are free to think as you like. Enjoy your day.

a reply to: Lightworth
Fair enough. Just reading it though it seems you premise is about sacrafice and what real sacrafice is. Many better ways to belittle faith based religions.

a reply to: occamsrazor04

Interesting how absolutely anything and everything that's unpopular enough automatically gets the "trolling" label. There's plenty of substance, legitimacy in the exposure-exploration of unproved sacrifice. That's the topic! Any comments, questions along that line?

a reply to: Lightworth

When I read the OP I thought you were trolling, based on the structure of the post with the name calling comparisons. I'm sure you have a point, just not expressed aswell as you'd wished I suppose. Open questions lead to open debate. Statements without elaboration does not stimulate debate. Nothing personal. Just pointing out

Yup human sacrifice or scapegoating is the key feature of Christianity, but they don't like to face up to that fact. The very symbol of their collection of beliefs is the tool used to torture a man to death.

There's a problem? Better kill someone inorder to make it all better.....

a reply to: rossacus

Not sure what you mean about "statements without elaboration," but here is a further elaboration on the topic: When the original Conquistadors and their Catholic-Christian missionaries came to the Americas and witnessed horrific human sacrifices by the natives, they were obviously right in being horrified by and not tolerating it, but how much TRULY higher moral ground did they have when their own religion is ALSO based on unproved sacrifice? Just because it was only ONE individual allegedly sacrificed (in a most brutal-bloody way, of course), the alleged Jesus of Nazareth (not to mention ALLEGED one and ONLY Son of the alleged Creator of the entire universe), does that REALLY set them apart from the older sacrifice-based freakshow religions, or at least ENOUGH so?

I will not apologize for using more blunt than usual-popular language. The objective, IF possible, is to reply (or not) based on the language I use, since I'm NOT communicating unclearly, vaguely, cryptically etc.

a reply to: Lightworth
No need to apologise. Just merely pointing out its less accessible than other posts.

Sacrafice is an integral part of all religions ( aztecs, christians etc), an attempt to appease a lack of understanding, stemming from out own destructive /cruel nature. Religion as an institution has incorporated this human aspect as a mechanism to enforce the validity of the scriptures. Back then livestock was highly regarded and essential for survival, and sacraficing these things shows "faith", that a sacraficed necessity would be rewarded at a later date. It promotes obedience, conformity and detracts questionable rituals. Much more to say but at work.

So D-day saved us all from the dreaded national socialism? Now we can enjoy our meth and girlfriend beating, rah rah -murica!

a reply to: kenzohattori69
Was waiting for that comment.

a reply to: kenzohattori69

Was referring to America at the time. It's a whole other area of discussion on how the US basically became the Fourth Reich (Operation Paper Clip etc.) -- to quote Jim Marrs -- with the advent of the National Security Act/State in 1947. No argument on how terrible things are, and no support of the existing (secrecy-based) political world, though I feel certain an outright Nazi/Axis victory would have resulted in a worse and even more oppressive way of life, at least overall.

ADD: I'm gladly wrong about the amount of discussion here! I don't ever expect my threads to go into multiple pages anyway.

a reply to: Lightworth

I mean I agree with this thread (at least the first half, the second half looked like a cheap way to use the first paragraph to attack Christianity), I just have a hard time understanding what it has to do with religion or theology even if you DO happen to mention Christianity in the thread.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Unproved sacrifice is religious BELIEF that's (by definition) part of religion/faith/theology, entirely on the board topic, as far as I can tell.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
If I'm understanding the OP correctly...

The sacrifice of life made to defeat Hitler and Japan was necessary. While the sacrifice of Christ was unnecessary, and no better than the death cults before and after Christianity. Death cults Christianity condemned, of course. Not seeing their own hypocrisy.

originally posted by: Lightworth
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Unproved sacrifice is religious BELIEF that's (by definition) part of religion/faith/theology, entirely on the board topic, as far as I can tell.

If you say so. I would have maybe put this in Conspiracies in Religion at the least, but hey it's your thread.